Enter the Marching Band

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.

Why would an umpire want to address it on his own?
Address what?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Hilarious, just ****ing hilarious.

Re-read the rule:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a dugout). EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the dugout).

No ejection, no outs, no forfeit, they take away the equipment!!!

This is about the equipment, not making noise or unsportsmanlike conduct. There is no penalty to a player or coach. Could you imagine the chaos if the umpire walks by a dugout and see player using her glove as a seat cushion, or a doning a "rally cap"?

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

Yeah, the umpire would come into the dugout and take away their balls!!

And for what, to show that you are a NCAA-clone?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

If a tree falls in the woods....

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

Or maybe it is just because softball umpires and coaches don't think every game is the championship game.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or maybe it is just because softball umpires and coaches don't think every game is the championship game.

There is also a greater mutual respect between coaches and umpires. Coaches also know that their institutions aren't paying them to get ejected. People often lose sight of the fact that most institutions think that it reflects poorly on them when someone on their payroll acts so foolishly, especially in front of a crowd, that they get thrown out.

One thing I can say for certain is that there was at least one DI coach ejected this year

[grounder]

the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

[topper]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

Looks like you are the only official in the country able to comprehend this rule "correctly" then.

I'll use this "comprehension" for other instances as well. Next time I notice a batting out of order, unreported substitution, or even a runner missing a bag, I'll simply rule on it without being prompted by the opposing team.

EsqUmp - Does the term "protestable situation" mean anything to you?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Or maybe it is just because softball umpires and coaches don't think every game is the championship game.

I've seen some behaviors on televised games where the umpires simply let a coach run amok, too, but I'm sure I could find similar situations in baseball games.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

Love internet umpires who aren't really umpires that read 40% of a rule and then rail on how the real umpires must not be real umpires for not knowing a simple rule...

Did you even read the RED section I bolded? Did you see an opposing coach bring it up? Of course not - it's accepted behavior. The umpires are NOT to initiate this conversation on their own... and no coach is ever going to bring this up.

You related to Big John on the football board? He does the same thing - the reading part of a rule thing and going crazy inappropriately...

[topper]

Originally Posted by Rich

I've seen some behaviors on televised games where the umpires simply let a coach run amok, ...

I have too and it's sad.

I've also seen coaches in a baseball game get 3 to 4 minutes of his "money's worth" post-ejection. Is there a rule regarding the time a coach has to leave in baseball?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

One of the biggest difference I see between baseball and softball is the demeanor of the participants. Baseball players and coaches are primadonnas - if the umpire offends them in any way, they must have a conniption fit that won't stop until the umpire has had enough.

Softball players might say ONE word after a bad call, or give a look after a suspect ball-strike call. Coaches (generally) will come out to DISCUSS things, but you see FAR less dirt kicking idiocy in softball than you do in baseball.

THIS is the reason for less ejections.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by grounder

the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

I suppose you could.

But I would disagree that it it is unsportsmanlike.
I would also have to ask how this equates with "negative" cheering.