Enter the Marching Band

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.

[grounder]

the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by grounder

the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

I suppose you could.

But I would disagree that it it is unsportsmanlike.
I would also have to ask how this equates with "negative" cheering.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by grounder

the devils advocate

speaking ASA. couldnt an umpire consider the banging unsportsmanlike conduct much like negative cheering and invoke rule 10 - 1 power and duties? " the plate umpire shall have the authority to make decisions on any situations not specifaclly covered in these rules"

How, she was cheering for her team? If you are going to do that, maybe we should use the same rule and remove the player's shoes after a warning for misuse by stomping them on the dugout floor in unison to create the rhythm for a cheer.

[grounder]

its just a question pal..take it easy with the silly comparisons

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by grounder

its just a question pal..take it easy with the silly comparisons

Honestly ... I didn't find the comparison that silly, and don't find his outside the box scenario any differently than yours.

As to 10-1 ... if you're willing to trot it out to cover this, I have to worry what else you're using it for. In 21 years, I've used it once ... a car with no driver got somehow put in gear and rolled over the RF fence (and eventually RF before someone caught up with it) while a ball was in play, scaring the crapola out of a bunch of 12 year olds.

And that's about how far outside the box a situation needs to be for you to use that rule.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by grounder

its just a question pal..take it easy with the silly comparisons

Seriously, you don't want to open the door of saying that softball chanting and other forms of noise-making are unsporting. Unless the chants are blatantly directed at the opposing team's skill level, how are you going to regulate them? Are you going to limit the volume level? Are you going to only allow them between pitches and stop them the moment the pitcher looks in for the sign?

When I moved from umpiring baseball to softball, dugout noise was something that took me some getting used to. I soon realized that it was extremely rare that the opposing coach would complain, so I don't bother at all. I certainly wouldn't invoke any kind of unsporting determination to put a stop to it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by grounder

its just a question pal..take it easy with the silly comparisons

And it was only an answer, bubba. If you didn't want an answer, you shouldn't ask a question.

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.

Why would an umpire want to address it on his own?
Address what?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Hilarious, just ****ing hilarious.

Re-read the rule:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a dugout). EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the dugout).

No ejection, no outs, no forfeit, they take away the equipment!!!

This is about the equipment, not making noise or unsportsmanlike conduct. There is no penalty to a player or coach. Could you imagine the chaos if the umpire walks by a dugout and see player using her glove as a seat cushion, or a doning a "rally cap"?

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by SethPDX

The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Sounds like everyone that umpires for that particular organization has to do so scared. Funny that for all the coach ejections I can find on YouTube for baseball, I see none for NCAA Softball -- do coach ejections ever happen?

If a tree falls in the woods....