Enter the Marching Band

[HugoTafurst]

Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Does some one want to state the actual rule pertaining to banging balls on the dugout?

If I get home before you do, ill find it and post it.
I. Don't believe it is as absolutevas some think.

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Pay attention to this part.

If no one complains you don't do anything.

Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

[Rich Ives]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

Well, that's not true. An umpire can direct that they stop. The difference is that you issue an official warning if it is brought to your attention by the opposing team. Which brings up another point: most umpires aren't properly documenting the warning and putting it into post-game reports where required.

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

[EsqUmp]

Originally Posted by Rich Ives

Well, yes it is. It says the effect of the rule is that when brought to your attention by the opposing coach. . .

IOW - you only react if it's brought to your attention. If it didn't have that statement then you could react on your own. But it does have that statement.

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.

[HugoTafurst]

I'm with Ives, on this.
I don't care if they are banging balls on buckets.
In fact, I groove on it.

I have never had a coach complain

As far as the rule itself, I don't think it allows us to arbitrarily direct s team to stop.

Why would an umpire want to address it on his own?
Address what?

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

The umpire could end the concert, but it would likely be the last concert the umpire ended at the college level, from what I gather. Besides, if they wanted umpires to address it directly, why have the wording about the coach bringing it to the umpire's attention?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

Yeah, the umpire would come into the dugout and take away their balls!!

And for what, to show that you are a NCAA-clone?

[topper]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

You simply are not comprehending the rule correctly. Nothing prohibits an umpire for addressing the issue on his own. The only difference is if the opposing team brings it to the umpire's attention first, then there is a warning and a penalty for a repeated act. But if you think that an umpire can't tell them to end the concert, you're dead wrong.

Looks like you are the only official in the country able to comprehend this rule "correctly" then.

I'll use this "comprehension" for other instances as well. Next time I notice a batting out of order, unreported substitution, or even a runner missing a bag, I'll simply rule on it without being prompted by the opposing team.

EsqUmp - Does the term "protestable situation" mean anything to you?

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by EsqUmp

What could be more absolute than this:

13.4.2 No player or coach shall use equipment in any way other than what
is intended by the manufacturer (for example, banging bats and balls in a
dugout).
EFFECT—When brought to the attention of the umpire by the opposing
coach, the umpire shall issue a warning to the offending head
coach. Any subsequent violation shall result in the abused
equipment being removed from the game (not returned to the
dugout).

I'm not sure how someone could call himself a college umpire and not know a rule as simple as this.

Love internet umpires who aren't really umpires that read 40% of a rule and then rail on how the real umpires must not be real umpires for not knowing a simple rule...

Did you even read the RED section I bolded? Did you see an opposing coach bring it up? Of course not - it's accepted behavior. The umpires are NOT to initiate this conversation on their own... and no coach is ever going to bring this up.

You related to Big John on the football board? He does the same thing - the reading part of a rule thing and going crazy inappropriately...