ASA 2013 BOO (non-coed)

[sbatten]

Hi, all -- I call ASA slow pitch, no stealing (men's and women's, but not coed). Our league teams often have problems with Batting Out of Order. So I want to make 100% sure I am clear on the 2013 rule change.

Batting order is B3, B4, B5. R1 on 2B, R2 on 1B. No outs.

B3 is due up but B4 completes a turn at bat. I am checking myself on each of the following scenarios...

A. B4 strikes out, runners stay put.
B. B4 flies out, R1 tags and safely advances to 3B, R2 stays put.
C. B4 flies out, R1 tags and safely advances to 3B, R2 is thrown out at 1B.
D. B4 grounds out (F1 to F3), R1 and R2 advance to 3B and 2B respectively.
E. B4 grounds into a fielder's choice (F1 to F5), forcing out R1, R2 advances to 2B, BR stops at 1B.
F. B4 grounds into into a double play (F6 to F4 to F3), putting out both R2 and BR, R1 advances to 3B.
G. B4 grounds into into a double play (F6 to F5 to F4), putting out both R2 and R1, BR stops at 1B.

After the play is over, B5 steps into the box but before a pitch is thrown, the defense properly appeals that the offensive team batted out of order (i.e. that B3 was due up but B4 batted). I (the umpire) need to declare outs, place runners, and tell the offense who bats next.


Can you check my work? I read the updated section 7-2-D-2 very carefully and want to make sure I have mastered it, both to properly enforce the rule and to explain it clearly to managers.

A. 1 out (B3 for failing to bat), R1 at 2B, R2 at 1B, B4 due up.
B. 1 out (B3), R1 returns to 2B, R2 at 1B, B4 due up.
C. 2 outs (B3, R2), R1 returns to 2B, B4 due up.
D. 1 out (B3), R1 returns to 2B, R2 returns to 1B, B4 due up.
E. 2 outs (B3, R1), R2 returns to 1B, B4 due up.
F. 2 outs (B3, R2), R1 returns to 2B, B4 due up.
G. 3 outs (B3, R2, R1), B4 due up when offense comes to bat next inning.

Thanks!

Scott

[IRISHMAFIA]

Scott, what did you do last year or this year in co-ed?

Now, just don't take the our for the wrong batter. Nothing else has changed.

IMO, this was one of the dumbest rule moves ASA has made in years.

[sbatten]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Now, just don't take the our for the wrong batter. Nothing else has changed.

That, plus if the wrong batter made out at bat and is now due to bat, she bats, right? (Last year I would have had B5 bat in scenarios above in which B4 made out at bat.)

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by sbatten

That, plus if the wrong batter made out at bat and is now due to bat, she bats, right? (Last year I would have had B5 bat in scenarios above in which B4 made out at bat.)

Not going through all of that when it is so simple and does not require any more thinking that before. The more you try to think about this, the more "what ifs" are going to arise and all that will do is confuse the issue.

Nothing has changed with the exception that the wrong batter never existed. Is not out, is not on base and the next batter is the one due up after the player who is declared out for failing to bat.

[sbatten]

Thanks for responding, Mike! I appreciate your advice.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by sbatten

Thanks for responding, Mike! I appreciate your advice.

Scott, not trying to make it tougher, just trying to explain how these things get overworked and the more you twist something, the more confusing it becomes for many when that isn't necessary.

Its a lot like the annual arguments we run into every season about the award on an overthrow or blocked ball. Don't know how many times I, and many other umpires, just repeat "two from the time of the throw" no matter how many times or different "what ifs" come up. But no matter how often you answer, someone always wants to bring up another question, overthinking the rule because they just cannot believe it is that simple

[UmpireErnie]

Originally Posted by sbatten

Hi, all -- I call ASA slow pitch, no stealing (men's and women's, but not coed).

At the risk of thread derail.. why don't you have stealing in Men's and Women's slow pitch. No stealing in Coed but Men's and Women's should be allowed.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

At the risk of thread derail.. why don't you have stealing in Men's and Women's slow pitch. No stealing in Coed but Men's and Women's should be allowed.

I would suspect that many leagues do not allow stealing in SP because they use single umpires.

[sbatten]

Originally Posted by UmpireErnie

At the risk of thread derail.. why don't you have stealing in Men's and Women's slow pitch.

The league I call for didn't buy in when the rule change was passed. I don't mind the question but it surprises me -- aren't many adult slow pitch leagues doing the no-stealing option?

[Robmoz]

Originally Posted by sbatten

The league I call for didn't buy in when the rule change was passed. I don't mind the question but it surprises me -- aren't many adult slow pitch leagues doing the no-stealing option?

None of my ASA leagues adopted Stealing..."mainly due to 1 umpire system mechanic limitations" - as the assignor's have judged, I guess.