Missing Player in Lineup

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Manny A

(snip)I know that the rules don't include the entry of the DP on defense for someone other than the Flex as a substitution. But I wasn't sure if it still had to be reported (similar to when a courtesy runner enters the game).

Live and learn...

FYI, NCAA requires the reporting of defensive changes (Just a little more to remember)


Also, many umpires, after accepting and confirming line-ups official from both coaches will then ask, "Do you have any changes to make at this time"
Some coaches like to submit the line up with a DP/FLEx and imediately substitute the position (dropping to 9, but having the ability to go back to 10).

[derwil]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Also, many umpires, after accepting and confirming line-ups official from both coaches will then ask, "Do you have any changes to make at this time"
Some coaches like to submit the line up with a DP/FLEx and imediately substitute the position (dropping to 9, but having the ability to go back to 10).

Starting to become very common among good teams who know how to use the DP/Flex system. Important to ask the question - especially at higher levels.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by derwil

Starting to become very common among good teams who know how to use the DP/Flex system. Important to ask the question - especially at higher levels.

My handling of this is "The lineups are now official. Are there any changes at this time?"

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Steve M

My handling of this is "The lineups are now official. Are there any changes at this time?"

Shouldn't you ask about changes BEFORE the lineups are official?

Rita

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Shouldn't you ask about changes BEFORE the lineups are official?

Rita

Absolutely not, Rita.
Before the lineups are official, I may verify that something is as that speciific coach wants it to be, but before the lineups are oficial, nothing is official. Coaches who make changes along thes lines understand this.
And that's why I wait until the lineups are official before asking if there are any changes.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Rita C

Shouldn't you ask about changes BEFORE the lineups are official?

Rita

To add to what Steve said..
The procedure I follow is to:
1)receive the home team line up, look it over to verify that it is correct (no dupe numbers, DP/Flex, F1/F2 positions are marked (if necessary), substitutes listed, names displayed correctly, etc.
2) Return the Line up to the Home team and ask that she/he checks it over and verifies that it is correct.
3) Repeat the process for the visiting team.

At this point if they have any changes, the are just pencil changes, not official (as the lune-ups are not official yet). Any changes here do NOT count as substitutions.

4) After receiving the verified line-ups, I then make the same statement as Steve M. "The lineups are now official. Are there any changes at this time?"

5) Any changes to the line up now are Substitutions....

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

To add to what Steve said..
The procedure I follow is to:
1)receive the home team line up, look it over to verify that it is correct (no dupe numbers, DP/Flex, F1/F2 positions are marked (if necessary), substitutes listed, names displayed correctly, etc.
2) Return the Line up to the Home team and ask that she/he checks it over and verifies that it is correct.
3) Repeat the process for the visiting team.

At this point if they have any changes, the are just pencil changes, not official (as the lune-ups are not official yet). Any changes here do NOT count as substitutions.

4) After receiving the verified line-ups, I then make the same statement as Steve M. "The lineups are now official. Are there any changes at this time?"

5) Any changes to the line up now are Substitutions....

I do all that. So what we are doing is defining "changes".

My point is, if we've just talked about if the lineups are correct, and they've had a chance to correct anything, why would they want to make changes?



Rita

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Rita C

I do all that. So what we are doing is defining "changes".

My point is, if we've just talked about if the lineups are correct, and they've had a chance to correct anything, why would they want to make changes?



Rita

Because AFTER the line-ups are official, they are not corrections - they are legal substitutions. And has been stated it is not uncommon for some teams to want to make a substitution (usually involving the DP/FLEX) before the teams take the ifeld or the first batter bats.
This is just a simple way of lettng the coach know that now is the time...

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by Rita C

I do all that. So what we are doing is defining "changes".

My point is, if we've just talked about if the lineups are correct, and they've had a chance to correct anything, why would they want to make changes?



Rita

Rita,
It is entirely possible that a coach has inadvertantly handed you an illegal lineup card. Before accepting the lineup card as official, we want them to correct it. It's part of the plate umpire's job to make sure that the lineup card is legal - even to the point of not accepting it when something is illegal.
Correcting that/those issues is not making a change.
Making a change means that somebody has entered/left the game or somebody has changed defensive position.