Batter runner in jeopardy?

[HugoTafurst]

FWIW, to my knowledge:
1) Technically (NFHS) a runner attempting to advance to 2nd after overrunning 1st is a (live ball) appeal play. In practical terms, it is treated similar to appealing a runner leaving base before a caught fly ball is touched in that the tag of the runner is assumed to be an appeal that she attempted to advance (whether stated or not)
2) The direction a BR first turns (after overrunning 1st) is not relevant to being tagged out "attempting to advance", BUT in many rule sets it IS relevant as relates to the look back rule.

For instance:

2011NFHS

SECTION 7 (F.P.) LOOK-BACK RULE
ART. 4 . . . Responsibilities of batter-runner after completing a turn at bat, and while the pitcher has the ball within the 16-foot pitching circle, including a base on balls or a dropped third strike are as follows:

a. A batter-runner who rounds first base toward second base may stop, but
then must immediately, without stopping, return to first or attempt to
advance to second base.

b. A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and
immediately stops, must then return non-stop to first or attempt to advance
to second base.

c. A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and
moves directly toward second base and stops is committed to second and
must attempt to advance non-stop to second base.

d. A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and
moves back toward the infield in any direction except directly toward second
base is committed to first and must return to first base.

e. A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, and turns right,
is committed to first base and must return to first base.

I know it's more than you asked.... but what the heck

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

I know it's more than you asked.... but what the heck

Not really more because it shows that even in the most stringent rule, ther is no mention of fair or foul.

[jmkupka]

c,d & e are my favorite rules in the book (that's not wrong, is it?)

Had a coach tell me "You're wrong, blue!! We've been doing this for YEARS!! It's called the Sneaky Steal!!

Had a coach tell me she already ran this past the tournament director just in case, and he was fine with it.

It's about the only rule I can quote, chapter and verse, for them to read out in the parking lot, when they argue themselves into an ejection.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

c,d & e are my favorite rules in the book (that's not wrong, is it?)

Had a coach tell me "You're wrong, blue!! We've been doing this for YEARS!! It's called the Sneaky Steal!!

Had a coach tell me she already ran this past the tournament director just in case, and he was fine with it.

It's about the only rule I can quote, chapter and verse, for them to read out in the parking lot, when they argue themselves into an ejection.

FWIW (again) (I don't know IFA), but the only rule that would allow you to pull the "Sneaky Steal" is NCAA.
(And I don't think I'd hear that description).

[jmkupka]

"d. A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and
moves back toward the infield in any direction except directly toward second
base is committed to first and must return to first base."


So this is legal in NCAA?

This is from Fed, but ASA is virtually identical, 8.7.T (see?)

[Andy]

Originally Posted by jmkupka

"d. A batter-runner who overruns first base toward right field, turns left and
moves back toward the infield in any direction except directly toward second
base is committed to first and must return to first base."


So this is legal in NCAA?

This is from Fed, but ASA is virtually identical, 8.7.T (see?)

Here is the NCAA rule:

12.21.6.5 The batter-runner, after overrunning first base, must immediately
return nonstop to first base or, if she does not retouch first base, must make
an attempt to advance to second. If after passing the base, the runner is
heading back toward first within the basepath extended, she may make
a decision to go to either base. However, stepping beyond the extended
basepath in foul territory commits the runner to first base while stepping
beyond the basepath toward the second-base side commits the runner to
second base.

Basically, the runner can overrun first base and as long as they stay within 3 feet of the foul line in either direction, head back to first base and then take off for second at any time prior to touching first. If they touch first base, they are committed to first.

[IRISHMAFIA]

How did this get from an attempt to advance to 2B to the LBR?

Fair, foul, one-step, five-steps, the only person who can answer the question is the BU.

AFAIC, if as the BU I get the feeling I need to react to the runner's actions for coverage purposes, s/he did enough to make me think there was an attempt to 2B.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How did this get from an attempt to advance to 2B to the LBR?

FEISTY, I think i.t was my FWIW.