Coach Gone Wild !

[justcallmeblue]

"Sorry, but I'm going to come down hard on you here..."

You can come down on me. . .I am a big boy. Every umpire has a level of tolerance for (pardon the expression) BS. I have a trigger and it takes a little more than this for me to pull it. And I mean JUST A LITTLE!


"On behalf of the other umpires who will have this guy after you, I'd like to thank you for creating a beast that we will now have to handle and for allowing this guy to think he can treat all umpires this way."

So let me ask. . .What about the UMPIRES BEFORE ME, that have put ME into that situation in the 10 games prior to mine that this coach has had this season and the games he acted that way when he coached 8U (according to reports). You are pretty quick to make me the scape goat. You also seem to insinuate that he doesnt have a history and I created a mess, WELL HE DOES HAVE A HISTORY. . . I come to find out thru other coaches and umpires (who work for different assignors) that he has complained about numerous other officials calls that don't go his way and complaints have been lodged to the league by opposing coaches!! Noone has tossed him in the past

He was the Head Coach. . .was warned. . . and I live by a simple rule. . . .once I warn you, if you say anything that warrants an ejection, you'll get it. . . .Telling me he has somewhere else better to be isnt one of those comments. Now, if I personally heard the comment that he made to the other coach, he would have been ejected. But after the warning, he shut up, like I expected!


We don't make calls to feel vindicated.
I didnt make the call to be feel VINDICATED. The vindication comes when - I know it was right call, the right rule and after the game the assistant coach SEEKS me out to tell me I was right to warn the HC!

[LIUmp]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue

"Sorry, but I'm going to come down hard on you here..."

You can come down on me. . .I am a big boy. Every umpire has a level of tolerance for (pardon the expression) BS. I have a trigger and it takes a little more than this for me to pull it. And I mean JUST A LITTLE!


"On behalf of the other umpires who will have this guy after you, I'd like to thank you for creating a beast that we will now have to handle and for allowing this guy to think he can treat all umpires this way."

So let me ask. . .What about the UMPIRES BEFORE ME, that have put ME into that situation in the 10 games prior to mine that this coach has had this season and the games he acted that way when he coached 8U (according to reports). You are pretty quick to make me the scape goat. You also seem to insinuate that he doesnt have a history and I created a mess, WELL HE DOES HAVE A HISTORY. . . I come to find out thru other coaches and umpires (who work for different assignors) that he has complained about numerous other officials calls that don't go his way and complaints have been lodged to the league by opposing coaches!! Noone has tossed him in the past

He was the Head Coach. . .was warned. . . and I live by a simple rule. . . .once I warn you, if you say anything that warrants an ejection, you'll get it. . . .Telling me he has somewhere else better to be isnt one of those comments. Now, if I personally heard the comment that he made to the other coach, he would have been ejected. But after the warning, he shut up, like I expected!


We don't make calls to feel vindicated.
I didnt make the call to be feel VINDICATED. The vindication comes when - I know it was right call, the right rule and after the game the assistant coach SEEKS me out to tell me I was right to warn the HC!

okay

how about:
rule 4, sec 7 C 3 (Base coaches may not use language that will reflect negatively upon players, umpires or spectators.
EFFECT: DQ or ejection from the game after a warning. Seems to me like you warned him, he's got a history, and you still allowed him to make a comment. Idle threats show the coach that he can get away with this behavior.

coach went ballistic on me. . .came running down the 3rd base line using the words BS about a dozen times.

Unacceptable. If you want to warn him, here's where you do it. "Coach, I'd be glad to explain what I saw. However, your language and tone needs to end. This is your only warning."

Anyway, after letting him vent, he walks back to 3rd and I hear "I am going to call your assignor and tell him you have no damn clue. . .that was BS." To which I promptly warned him.

He now has threatened you by saying he's going to call your assignor...AND he's questioned your integrity by saying that you have no damn clue - and he's cursed AGAIN. So you now warn him? Too late at this point...he should have been ejected here without question. But....

he says "Great, I have somewhere else I have to be." Now, seeing it was a 90 degree plus day with high humidity and his bald head was beading with sweat, I didnt throw him out - your kids are suffering in this heat - well, so are you.

So he continued on and practically begged you to leave, and you begged him to stay. To which I say thanks on behalf of everyone else who will have to deal with this in the future. The guy needs to be shown that this behavior is unacceptable. You dropped the ball here. Big time.

But then...

After the inning, the opposing bench coach pulled me aside and told me that he wasnt going to take that coaches BS anymore. I asked him what happend and the opposing coach said that as the BS-yelling coach walked back to third base, he told the opposing coach to "Sit his fat *** back on the f*&^ing bench" (I wish I would have heard that).

And you didn't hear this? Even IF you decided you wanted to spend the next little while with this guy...how did you not have your ears WELL-TUNED into what he would say following your warning?? Let's say I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on tossing this guy...at this point, you should be SO ENGAGED in every word that exits his mouth that I can't fathom how you didn't hear this. But I'll take your word that you didn't hear it. In that case, you need to pay more attention, specifically when you've warned someone that he says NOT ANOTHER word. PERIOD. Perhaps he didn't say it. But I would have addressed it and tried to find out if he really did say it. At least address it with my partner. (Speaking of, where the heck was he/she?????) But you didn't do that either, I gather.

I'm not insinuating anything...let alone that you created this mess of a coach. However, you've allowed a monster to continue to grow stronger by not doing anything to stop him from being belligerent. It shouldn't matter that he has a history. He could be the nicest guy in the world. That day, in that game, he lost it and he was not shown that his actions bring consequences. The umpires before you, if this guy acted in the same way, screwed up by not putting him in his place. But you should not have joined them. Instead, he continues and will continue to berate and abuse officials until someone does the right thing.

But after the warning, he shut up, like I expected!

Apparently he did not.

I know it was right call, the right rule and after the game the assistant coach SEEKS me out to tell me I was right to warn the HC!

No, you were wrong. You should have ejected him. That was right. And any other adult, seeing that behavior, who believes a warning was right, is adding to this already out of control problem.

Listen...I don't know you and hold no ill will toward what you did. You were there and I wasn't. I obviously disagree with how you handled it. I am just hoping you read my thoughts and take my beliefs into consideration for the future. So when this happens again (and it will, it does to all of us), next time you may remember this very thread and will be more likely to do what I believe is the right thing.


"Coach, you've been ejected from the game. You must leave the complex."

or....

"Goodbye coach. You must leave now."

I'd love to know other's thoughts on this part of the thread. Maybe I'm being too harsh.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by justcallmeblue

"You can come down on me. . .I am a big boy. Every umpire has a level of tolerance for (pardon the expression) BS. I have a trigger and it takes a little more than this for me to pull it. And I mean JUST A LITTLE!

No sir, your level of tolerance is awful. NO coach (manager or otherwise) should be allowed to do what you fully admit this coach did, and stay in the game. I see at least 3 ejections BEFORE your warning. Allowing this guy to stay in the game reflects poorly on you and honestly on all of us. Your defending of your actions is even worse.

[Chess Ref]

In my area, I see a reluctance to deal with coaches behaving badly. I have some ideas on why....don't want to be known as having a hair trigger, and a whole lot of wanting people to like them.