IP goes wild (ISF)

[rayskie]

Hi there !
Got a question on the IP-rule , ISF-rules:

IP goes past the catcher. R1 goes to 2nd and tries for 3rd base, but is thrown out there by the catcher.

Do we have an out or is R1 sended back to 2nd base ?
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Any infraction of Sections 1-8 is an Illegal Pitch.
1. The umpire shall give a delayed dead ball signal.
2. If the illegal pitch is not hit
(a) An extra ball is awarded to the batter (first base if ball four), and
(b) Runners are advanced one base.
EXCEPTION: If a runner legally advances on the illegal pitch (passed ball or wild throw by the catcher), any
extra bases obtained may be retained.
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[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by rayskie
Hi there !
Got a question on the IP-rule , ISF-rules:

IP goes past the catcher. R1 goes to 2nd and tries for 3rd base, but is thrown out there by the catcher.

Do we have an out or is R1 sended back to 2nd base ?
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Any infraction of Sections 1-8 is an Illegal Pitch.
1. The umpire shall give a delayed dead ball signal.
2. If the illegal pitch is not hit
(a) An extra ball is awarded to the batter (first base if ball four), and
(b) Runners are advanced one base.
EXCEPTION: If a runner legally advances on the illegal pitch (passed ball or wild throw by the catcher), any
extra bases obtained may be retained.
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No option in ISF on IP. Runner is out and a ball on the batter.

[rayskie]

Thank you for the reply, Mike !
That's at least the way it should be done (what i think). But what about the book ? It doesn't say anything about what happens, if those "extra bases" are not retained.

Is that kind of your personal interpretation or something what's told by instructors in the US ?

Rayskie

[ChampaignBlue]

Delayed dead ball. Once the play you described was over and dead ball is declared R1 was no longer on the bases to retain 2nd because she had been called out. The only thing that could have saved her was an obstruction.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally posted by rayskie
Thank you for the reply, Mike !
That's at least the way it should be done (what i think). But what about the book ? It doesn't say anything about what happens, if those "extra bases" are not retained.

Is that kind of your personal interpretation or something what's told by instructors in the US ?

Rayskie

Think about it. They don't prove negatives in the book. If there isn't something defining specific situations, then it is business as usual.

An illegal pitch is a DDB and is assessed after all play is finished. ASA gives the coach an option, ISF does not.