DP/FLEX case 120516a

[x-tremeump]

If # 24 runs for F1 in the 1st inning can she run for F2 in the 3rd inning ? # 11 runs for F2. #24 & #11 are the only players that have not been in the game. Now is #24 locked in for F1 & # 11 locked for F2 for CR for the game untill they enter the game ? They think a bench player that has been in the game and has been substituted for is eligible to be a CR.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

If # 24 runs for F1 in the 1st inning can she run for F2 in the 3rd inning ?

No. A player can CR for only one position player, F1 or F2. It doesn't have to be the same player. For example, if #10 is the starting F1, and #24 runs for her, #24 may also CR for relief F1 #15 when she pitches, as long as #24 hasn't been in the game.

Originally Posted by xtreamump

# 11 runs for F2. #24 & #11 are the only players that have not been in the game. Now is #24 locked in for F1 & # 11 locked for F2 for CR for the game untill they enter the game ?

Yes.

Originally Posted by xtreamump

They think a bench player that has been in the game and has been substituted for is eligible to be a CR.

Whoever "they" are are wrong, under rule. Once a player has entered the game, she is no longer eligible to CR the rest of the game.

That said, some rec leagues have house rules that allow all sorts of crazy CR variations. So "they" may be thinking the actual book rules allow that.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Manny A

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That said, some rec leagues have house rules that allow all sorts of crazy CR variations. So "they" may be thinking the actual book rules allow that.

Not sure if you are trying to be elitist or what by referring to "REC leagues","house rules" and "crazy CR variations", but there are several other "respected" softball organizations which BY RULE have variations which are not crazy at all.

[Manny A]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

Not sure if you are trying to be elitist or what by referring to "REC leagues","house rules" and "crazy CR variations", but there are several other "respected" softball organizations which BY RULE have variations which are not crazy at all.

By "rec" leagues, I mean local leagues in my area that play under ASA rules, but have "house" rules that allow for:

- the CR to be the player who "made the last out". So, different CRs can run for the same F2 in one inning! And what happens when there is no player who made the last out because the team constantly scores its max runs in each inning without making an out? Yes, I had to adjudicate that discussion.

- the CR to be the player who "made the second out of the inning", and only brought in to run for F1 or F2 when there are two outs. So, if a team doesn't record any outs in an inning, or records only one, they are not allowed to use a CR.

- the CR is "a player who will be the last batter in that inning." So what the heck does THAT mean? If F2 bats before her and gets on base, what now?

- CRs being mandatory. Seriously. The rule for this rec league says, "Courtesy runners are mandatory for catcher or pitcher on base with 2 team outs." Then the rule goes on to say, "The catcher/pitcher is defined as the player who will play at the catcher's or pitcher's position in the following 'defensive' portion of the inning." So, we can't enter a CR for the current pitcher of record if we intend on replacing her the next defensive inning?

Yes, crazy.

[x-tremeump]

Thanks, very helpful