DP/FLEX case 120516a

[CecilOne]

Lineup
1
2
3
4
5 DP – Ann
6 pitcher –Barb
7
8
9
Flex – Cathy
subs
Donna
Ellen
Fran
Coach wants to know if he can replace Ann with Donna,
and have Donna pitch with Barb on bench as NFB.

Then does not want Donna to bat,
so wants to have Cathy bat/run for her
and Donna (DP/pitcher) field only (like FLEX).

NFB – Non Fielding Batter
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Please comment.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Lineup
1
2
3
4
5 DP – Ann
6 pitcher –Barb
7
8
9
Flex – Cathy
subs
Donna
Ellen
Fran
Coach wants to know if he can replace Ann with Donna,
and have Donna pitch with Barb on bench as NFB.

Then does not want Donna to bat,
so wants to have Cathy bat/run for her
and Donna (DP/pitcher) field only (like FLEX).

NFB – Non Fielding Batter
-----------------------------------------

Please comment.

Well yes, to a point...

Donna can sub for Ann (so far Donna is still the DP and she can play F1)

THEN Cathy (the FLEX) can bat for Donna - but Donna will have left the game.

For Donna to pitch again, she will have to use her one re-entrty (and Donna will again be the flex)

Next at bat, Cathy can again bat for Donna, but Donna will not be able to return.

[RKBUmp]

He can do it twice by having the flex bat for the DP when its the DP's turn to bat, but the 2nd time he does it Donna is done for the game.

[EsqUmp]

+1

The DP can never play defense only.

Anytime the DP is not in the "offensive" line-up, the DP is considered to have left the game.

The DP and Flex may never be on offense at the same time.

The Flex may never be on offense only.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Lineup
1
2
3
4
5 DP – Ann
6 pitcher –Barb
7
8
9
Flex – Cathy
subs
Donna
Ellen
Fran
Coach wants to know if he can replace Ann with Donna,
and have Donna pitch with Barb on bench as NFB.

Then does not want Donna to bat,
so wants to have Cathy bat/run for her
and Donna (DP/pitcher) field only (like FLEX).
NFB – Non Fielding Batter
-----------------------------------------

Please comment.

He can not do what you have posted and I have bolded. He has to do what the other posts say to do.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Please comment.

I posted this for instructional purposes, although already knew the rule and informed the coach exactly what RKBUmp said.

I thought it was worth presenting because my partner struggled with it a bit (possibly just the coach's explanation) and apparently, an ump in another County allowed the last part (Donna (DP/pitcher) field only ).

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I posted this for instructional purposes, although already knew the rule and informed the coach exactly what RKBUmp said.

I thought it was worth presenting because my partner struggled with it a bit (possibly just the coach's explanation) and apparently, an ump in another County allowed the last part (Donna (DP/pitcher) field only ).

So Donna cannot play the field only- because she originally subbed in as a DP.

[RKBUmp]

I have to admit just reading it I wasn't following what he was doing but once I started laying it out on a lineup card it was pretty obvious

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So Donna cannot play the field only- because she originally subbed in as a DP.

Correct.

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I posted this for instructional purposes, although already knew the rule and informed the coach exactly what RKBUmp said.

I thought it was worth presenting because my partner struggled with it a bit (possibly just the coach's explanation) and apparently, an ump in another County allowed the last part (Donna (DP/pitcher) field only ).

Could you kindly pre-identify posts where you pose a question, but already know the answer.

I'd rather not waste my time trying to find the words to explain something to someone who already knows the answer.

Thanks,

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So Donna cannot play the field only- because she originally subbed in as a DP.

See the above explainations - Donna CAN play the field only - by having the FLEX bat for her when her at bat comes up...... but she can only re-enter once -
Donna (the DP) she can play defense till her at bat comes up (then the FLEX takes her place and Donna has left the game).
When her team goes back on defense, Donna can re-enter as the DP playing in the field.
THEN when Donna's turn to bat comes up again, the FLEX can bat for her.
Donna will have again left the game, but can not return...

So yes, Donna CAN play defense only (for a limited time).

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Correct.

Thank you.

I haven't umpired in two seasons and figured I'd tackle my weak spot first. Which is the Dp/Flex .

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

Correct.

I guess it's a matter of semantics....

And as I've said before - I'm not anti-semantic!!

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by HugoTafurst

See the above explainations - Donna CAN play the field only - by having the FLEX bat for her when her at bat comes up...... but she can only re-enter once -
Donna (the DP) she can play defense till her at bat comes up (then the FLEX takes her place and Donna has left the game).
When her team goes back on defense, Donna can re-enter as the DP playing in the field.
THEN when Donna's turn to bat comes up again, the FLEX can bat for her.
Donna will have again left the game, but can not return...

So yes, Donna CAN play defense only (for a limited time).

This helps alot. Thanks. Now did you have to think that through or was that answer by the seat of your pants ?

[HugoTafurst]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

This helps alot. Thanks. Now did you have to think that through or was that answer by the seat of your pants ?

Whenever a coach comes up with one of these schemes, I have to slow down.
Sometimes I have to translate what they are saying they want to do into what they are actually doing.


Like in the example above, I really don't care what you called it, playing defense only or being replaced when she came to bat, the important thing was to know that she could only re-enter to play defense once...

Clear?