How would you handle?

[Andy]

I've had occasions where I wasn't sure exactly what my partner was calling or ruling on and approached him/her to get clairification. I can't ever recall a situation like the one in the OP where my partner totally kicked a ruling that needed to be corrected. There have been judgement calls that I didn't agree with, but judgement is judgement and there is no way I am attempting to change my partner's judgement call.

I see no issue with initiating a conference with your partner when you are not sure what the call is or what ruling is being applied.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

I see no issue with initiating a conference with your partner when you are not sure what the call is or what ruling is being applied.

I agree, there is no problem with a conference, but that is how it needs to appear, two guys/gals/whatever discussing what just happened, not the PU interjecting him/her/whatself into the situation.

And in doing so, it would start with eye contact with my partner and have him/her/whatever come at least seem to be moving in my direction for a conversation. I do not want to do anything which even remotely makes it seem as if I am usurping his/her/whatever's authority. We all still have a game to officiate.

When all is settled in the discussion, the umpire needs to correct the error. If necessary, give both coaches a briefing on the updated ruling with reason. Better to do this away from the dugout or fans just so you can have a straight discussion without the *******s screaming over his/her/whatever shoulder and interrupting the conversation.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by irishmafia

i agree, there is no problem with a conference, but that is how it needs to appear, two guys/gals/whatever discussing what just happened, not the pu interjecting him/her/whatself into the situation.

And in doing so, it would start with eye contact with my partner and have him/her/whatever come at least seem to be moving in my direction for a conversation. I do not want to do anything which even remotely makes it seem as if i am usurping his/her/whatever's authority. We all still have a game to officiate.

When all is settled in the discussion, the umpire needs to correct the error. If necessary, give both coaches a briefing on the updated ruling with reason. Better to do this away from the dugout or fans just so you can have a straight discussion without the *******s screaming over his/her/whatever shoulder and interrupting the conversation.

+1

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

+1

+2

[Tru_in_Blu]

Didn't want to start a new string, so I'll just add here.

HS Varsity, NFHS, but it doesn't really matter. I have plate. Runner on 2B and a fly ball to slightly left of center. I came out from behind the plate and slightly up 3B line to get a good view because F6 had drifted into my line of vision.

I noticed partner had not moved from his position in C to come inside, and to be fair, he didn't really have time to get inside as this was not a high fly ball.

I saw the catch, and because of where my partner was, started to go up the line for help on a possible tag play at third.

Runner went to third, throw came to third late enough to not even warrant a call.

I returned to the plate area as defense is discussing the runner leaving early. Apparently, one of the infielders appealed to my partner. He called time out and walked in toward me announcing for all to hear that the appeal on the tag up was my call.

What would you have done?

Thanx.

[Andy]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Didn't want to start a new string, so I'll just add here.

HS Varsity, NFHS, but it doesn't really matter. I have plate. Runner on 2B and a fly ball to slightly left of center. I came out from behind the plate and slightly up 3B line to get a good view because F6 had drifted into my line of vision.

I noticed partner had not moved from his position in C to come inside, and to be fair, he didn't really have time to get inside as this was not a high fly ball.

I saw the catch, and because of where my partner was, started to go up the line for help on a possible tag play at third.

Runner went to third, throw came to third late enough to not even warrant a call.

I returned to the plate area as defense is discussing the runner leaving early. Apparently, one of the infielders appealed to my partner. He called time out and walked in toward me announcing for all to hear that the appeal on the tag up was my call.

What would you have done?

Thanx.

Ruled on the appeal, then told my partner after the game that he needed to be not so lazy, get his butt inside in time to see the catch and runner.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by Andy

Ruled on the appeal, then told my partner after the game that he needed to be not so lazy, get his butt inside in time to see the catch and runner.

I prefer the other option stated in this thread. Somewhere down the road, another PU would get lambasted by this HS coach for NOT making the call, since you are making it in your game. Better this BU be corrected for being wrong than set up another umpire who is right.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

Didn't want to start a new string, so I'll just add here.

HS Varsity, NFHS, but it doesn't really matter. I have plate. Runner on 2B and a fly ball to slightly left of center. I came out from behind the plate and slightly up 3B line to get a good view because F6 had drifted into my line of vision.

I noticed partner had not moved from his position in C to come inside, and to be fair, he didn't really have time to get inside as this was not a high fly ball.

I saw the catch, and because of where my partner was, started to go up the line for help on a possible tag play at third.

Runner went to third, throw came to third late enough to not even warrant a call.

I returned to the plate area as defense is discussing the runner leaving early. Apparently, one of the infielders appealed to my partner. He called time out and walked in toward me announcing for all to hear that the appeal on the tag up was my call.

What would you have done?

Thanx.

Stayed home. Let's see - you've got catch, tag, and possible play at home if the ball gets away. What exactly was partner expecting to cover? If he stayed out, 3rd is his call.

[DaveASA/FED]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

Stayed home. Let's see - you've got catch, tag, and possible play at home if the ball gets away. What exactly was partner expecting to cover? If he stayed out, 3rd is his call.

If he stayed out OR came in that call at 3B is his/her call!! Last runner to 3B is base umpires call!! And that tag up is base umpires call.

Now what would I have done? Made sure time was called, walked to meet my partner and told them where nobody else could hear us that it was their call to make, now if you didnt' see it here is what I saw to help you make that call but that's your call.....and it was your call at 3B also. Again not to fault what anyone did, if you see your base umpire is out of position/not paying any attention to the play someone needs to see it so you may have to take that call at 3B but on a dead ball appeal like that I would take that time to make sure my partner knew that was their call and they should make it (possibly with my help since they saw NOTHING)