How would you handle?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by marvin

...For those that suggest a protest - in some states for HS ball protests are not allowed. You don;t have anyone backstopping you so you have to get it right on the field.

The on-field protest is always available, unless you are talking about 1 umpire.

Originally Posted by marvin

...If you see a rule being improperly applied you don't have to "charge in". You can calmly speak to your partner away from the coaches and then let the umpire who made the initial ruling make the final ruling.

Since the two umpires generally speaking have no reason to get together, how exactly do you suggest this be done? This question applies to you, too, Mike. (mbcrowder). As Mike (Irish) says, there is a protocol to be followed, and the coach should know that. It is within his control to get the umpires together.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Since the two umpires generally speaking have no reason to get together, how exactly do you suggest this be done? This question applies to you, too, Mike. (mbcrowder)

I think the main problem to me is PU making the awards - I don't believe that would happen on most fields, but say BU makes the awards and does it incorrectly. I see nothing wrong with PU calling time and the umpires getting together. I don't believe anyone in my association would have a problem with this either. I'm not advocating getting together to try to change a judgement call no matter how egregious. A rule misinterpretation should be fixed if possible. No coach intervention necessary.

Had the following happen a week or so ago, not on my field. Runners on 2nd and 3rd, ball hit to pitcher, who throws home to F2 (not sure of the ages, but it was a younger kid game). F2 catches it, touches the plate ahead of the runner. PU calls runner out. Coach goes ballistic, yells at PU for a while (probably should have been tossed, but I don't think anyone is surprised that a PU who messed up a simple Force rule also didn't know when to eject), and leaves. BU, who was NOT a rookie, did nothing other than keeping the assistant coach away from the conversation.

At our group post-game, our UIC admonished BU pretty strongly for not approaching PU to see if this was just a REALLY bad judgement call, or a rules misinterpretation - and when learning it was a rules mistake, fixing it.

[Andy]

I've had occasions where I wasn't sure exactly what my partner was calling or ruling on and approached him/her to get clairification. I can't ever recall a situation like the one in the OP where my partner totally kicked a ruling that needed to be corrected. There have been judgement calls that I didn't agree with, but judgement is judgement and there is no way I am attempting to change my partner's judgement call.

I see no issue with initiating a conference with your partner when you are not sure what the call is or what ruling is being applied.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Andy

I see no issue with initiating a conference with your partner when you are not sure what the call is or what ruling is being applied.

I agree, there is no problem with a conference, but that is how it needs to appear, two guys/gals/whatever discussing what just happened, not the PU interjecting him/her/whatself into the situation.

And in doing so, it would start with eye contact with my partner and have him/her/whatever come at least seem to be moving in my direction for a conversation. I do not want to do anything which even remotely makes it seem as if I am usurping his/her/whatever's authority. We all still have a game to officiate.

When all is settled in the discussion, the umpire needs to correct the error. If necessary, give both coaches a briefing on the updated ruling with reason. Better to do this away from the dugout or fans just so you can have a straight discussion without the *******s screaming over his/her/whatever shoulder and interrupting the conversation.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by irishmafia

i agree, there is no problem with a conference, but that is how it needs to appear, two guys/gals/whatever discussing what just happened, not the pu interjecting him/her/whatself into the situation.

And in doing so, it would start with eye contact with my partner and have him/her/whatever come at least seem to be moving in my direction for a conversation. I do not want to do anything which even remotely makes it seem as if i am usurping his/her/whatever's authority. We all still have a game to officiate.

When all is settled in the discussion, the umpire needs to correct the error. If necessary, give both coaches a briefing on the updated ruling with reason. Better to do this away from the dugout or fans just so you can have a straight discussion without the *******s screaming over his/her/whatever shoulder and interrupting the conversation.

+1

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

+1

+2

[Tru_in_Blu]

Didn't want to start a new string, so I'll just add here.

HS Varsity, NFHS, but it doesn't really matter. I have plate. Runner on 2B and a fly ball to slightly left of center. I came out from behind the plate and slightly up 3B line to get a good view because F6 had drifted into my line of vision.

I noticed partner had not moved from his position in C to come inside, and to be fair, he didn't really have time to get inside as this was not a high fly ball.

I saw the catch, and because of where my partner was, started to go up the line for help on a possible tag play at third.

Runner went to third, throw came to third late enough to not even warrant a call.

I returned to the plate area as defense is discussing the runner leaving early. Apparently, one of the infielders appealed to my partner. He called time out and walked in toward me announcing for all to hear that the appeal on the tag up was my call.

What would you have done?

Thanx.