When is courtesy runner legally in game?

[RKBUmp]

I believe it is going to depend on which rule set you were playing under. ASA doesnt mention it under courtesy runners other than they must be reported to the plate umpire, but under substitutions once reported to the plate umpire they are considered in the game.

As I recall, FED this year came out with a ruling that substitutes were not officially in the game until a pitch had been thrown.

[MNBlue]

NFHS 8-9-6

ART. 6 . . . Once the courtesy runner is designated for that half-inning, the pitcher or catcher for whom she is running may not return to run while that courtesy runner is on base. A courtesy runner shall not run for a courtesy runner. When a legal substitute replaces a courtesy runner, the player for whom she was running has left the game.

A substitute can replace a CR, but she is replacing the pitcher or catcher for whom the CR is running.

When the PU announced that #8 was the courtesy runner, she was in the game. Sounds like #5 was never reported in the game. If so, she was an un-reported sub. Put her in the game and warn the coach. #5 can't come in for the CR, so when she came in the game, she was replacing the catcher as a substitute.

[shipwreck]

When a sub replaces the CR, the player that the CR is running for has left the game. So in this scenario, the catcher has left the game. She may re-enter if she has eligibility to do so. Dave

[ronald]

Originally Posted by shipwreck

When a sub replaces the CR, the player that the CR is running for has left the game. So in this scenario, the catcher has left the game. She may re-enter if she has eligibility to do so. Dave

+1. I think Mark said the same thing.

[drh898]

Yes, now that I read the rule, once #8 was "designated" (which I take to mean has been announced, noted and reported to the scorekeeper) #5 could then come in to run for #8, but, that means that we have a substitution for the catcher. #5 has just entered the game in place of the catcher.

I'm talking Fed, and the rule is 8.9.6 and case book 8.9.6 Situation F

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

I believe it is going to depend on which rule set you were playing under. ASA doesnt mention it under courtesy runners other than they must be reported to the plate umpire, but under substitutions once reported to the plate umpire they are considered in the game.

As I recall, FED this year came out with a ruling that substitutes were not officially in the game until a pitch had been thrown.

I would say that the CR is in the game once the CR is announced AND THEN once umpire accepts the change. If the umpire turned and announced #8 was a CR, then the change is accepted.

In every other case where there are changes to the line-up or runners, the book always says that it's once it's announced. I suspect this is nothing more than an oversight, as even the Senior Slow Pitch CR section says that it's when it's announced.