NFHS - Umpire Responsible for Clearing bat

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

If you can not officiate the game by watcghig the game "ball or play" and bend over and clear a bat. Mabee its time to watch the younger Umpires with new & better ways to get the job done. It is not a challenge, its just the right thing to do. There is Black, white, & a little common sence.

No, it is no more the right thing to do than is handling the ball or chatting up the MILF at the fence between innings.

I've got better things to do than someone else's job, like what I'm being paid to do and that doesn't include house keeping. Just maybe it is so black and white, you cannot use your common sense to see it from the gray of the fog you are in.

[NSABill]

The revolution will not be televised.
Helter Skelter.
It is 1,2,3,4 what are we fighting for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn.
And the sign says "long hair freaky people not apply".

For some strange reason just felt like typing this.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by NSABill

The revolution will not be televised.
Helter Skelter.
It is 1,2,3,4 what are we fighting for? Don't ask me I don't give a damn.
And the sign says "long hair freaky people not apply".

For some strange reason just felt like typing this.

Good point... but you're just a Bill, you're only a Bill.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, it is no more the right thing to do than is handling the ball or chatting up the MILF at the fence between innings.

I've got better things to do than someone else's job, like what I'm being paid to do and that doesn't include house keeping. Just maybe it is so black and white, you cannot use your common sense to see it from the gray of the fog you are in.

House keeping ? Tell me what you would tell the "MILF" in the 4th inning when her 12 year old daughter breaks her leg tripping over a bat 3 feet away from the Dish, I will set up the play, R1 on 2nd base B1 hits a line drive into right field, the right fielder makes a great play & relays the ball home for a close call. R1 slides into the bat & breaks her leg short of the plate by 6 inches, the catcher tages her out. I can tell that you would not do those types of games but the same fog that I am in applys. All I can say is WOW.

[RKBUmp]

Ok, and how about this play I had completely forgotten about until today. A game my daughter played in years ago, opposite side of the coin.

Runners on 1 & 2, slower runner on 2nd. Batter drives the ball over F7's head and base runners are on the move. F7 gets the ball at the fence just as lead runner is touching 3rd base with trailing runner almost on her heals. Plate umpire decides to clear the bat laying on the 3rd base line and bends over to pick it up. At same moment, pitcher for whatever reason runs across the 3rd base line colliding with the lead runner, knocking her flat on her butt and causing the trailing runner to pass her on the base path. Base umpire has seen nothing as he had the batter runner going into 2nd base. Plate umpire saw nothing because he was too busy clearing the bat and looked up just in time to see the lead runner laying on the ground with trialing runner passing her. Of course he can only call what he witnessed, which was to call the trailing runner out for passing another runner, and then the tag out of the lead runner still laying flat on her back.

Now tell me how you explain to the offensive coach how you completely blew the call and not only screwed him out of 2 runs but also called 2 outs on him? All because instead of watching the play like you are suppose to, you decided to "clear the bat for the safety of the players".

Leave the bat alone which by the rules becomes a part of the field once it is out of the batters hands and do your job by watching the ball and action on the field.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

House keeping ? Tell me what you would tell the "MILF" in the 4th inning when her 12 year old daughter breaks her leg tripping over a bat 3 feet away from the Dish, I will set up the play, R1 on 2nd base B1 hits a line drive into right field, the right fielder makes a great play & relays the ball home for a close call. R1 slides into the bat & breaks her leg short of the plate by 6 inches, the catcher tages her out. I can tell that you would not do those types of games but the same fog that I am in applys. All I can say is WOW.

What I tell the MILF is nothing. Maybe you like to talk with fans during the game. Maybe that's ok in your area. I don't have anything to do with fans while on the field. As for what I tell the players & coaches - OUT.
By rule, that discarded bat is a part of the field. If the offensive coach wants it moved, there's an on-deck batter to handle that - without interfering) If the defensive coach wants it moved, the catcher can do that. Seems to me that Esq (& his other made up pseudonyms wants a rule change) - OK - submit the change suggestion to the proper folks. Until then - follow the rules that exist - without homegrown mechanics or interpretations.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

House keeping ? Tell me what you would tell the "MILF" in the 4th inning when her 12 year old daughter breaks her leg tripping over a bat 3 feet away from the Dish, I will set up the play, R1 on 2nd base B1 hits a line drive into right field, the right fielder makes a great play & relays the ball home for a close call. R1 slides into the bat & breaks her leg short of the plate by 6 inches, the catcher tages her out. I can tell that you would not do those types of games but the same fog that I am in applys. All I can say is WOW.

I don't tell the MILF anything because talking to her is just as wrong as altering the playing field.

Yeah, you would say "wow" because you would be watching an umpire do his job. You might want to take notes.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

House keeping ? Tell me what you would tell the "MILF" in the 4th inning when her 12 year old daughter breaks her leg tripping over a bat 3 feet away from the Dish, I will set up the play, R1 on 2nd base B1 hits a line drive into right field, the right fielder makes a great play & relays the ball home for a close call. R1 slides into the bat & breaks her leg short of the plate by 6 inches, the catcher tages her out. I can tell that you would not do those types of games but the same fog that I am in applys. All I can say is WOW.

I'd tell her to talk with her daughter's coach and walk away.

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

...Tell me what you would tell the "MILF"...

If you are more concerned about what you would say to a spectator than you are about properly calling a game, perhaps it is you who should re-consider your calling to the job of officiating.

There are just too many things that could occur while the umpire is moving a bat. First off, as has been stated, once the bat is discarded/dropped, it becomes part of the playing field. If the umpire moves the bat, the umpire has then altered the playing field, and unless this can be done consistently and repeatedly, without causing any difference to the game it should be avoided. If you move the bat for one team, you must move the bat for every team. And at some point in time, you will find yourself in a situation that requires you to devote your mind, eyes, ears and body to the play before you, and not be concernced whatsoever about a bat.

Officiating requires consistency in all situations and circumstances. This consistency includes application of rules and mechanics. If you cannot provide that consistency you should find another line of work.

[x-tremeump]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

If you are more concerned about what you would say to a spectator than you are about properly calling a game, perhaps it is you who should re-consider your calling to the job of officiating.

There are just too many things that could occur while the umpire is moving a bat. First off, as has been stated, once the bat is discarded/dropped, it becomes part of the playing field. If the umpire moves the bat, the umpire has then altered the playing field, and unless this can be done consistently and repeatedly, without causing any difference to the game it should be avoided. If you move the bat for one team, you must move the bat for every team. And at some point in time, you will find yourself in a situation that requires you to devote your mind, eyes, ears and body to the play before you, and not be concernced whatsoever about a bat.

Officiating requires consistency in all situations and circumstances. This consistency includes application of rules and mechanics. If you cannot provide that consistency you should find another line of work.

First, Officiating to me is not work. It is a privlage, I have been taught to Officiate in a way when the game is over I have a sence of self worth. Only being on this Forum for 10 days now I can see that there are 2 bullies on here that I really want to Umpire a game with. I love the game, & the kids. When you lose touch with reality you become hard to deal with behind a Handle on a forum.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by xtreamump

I have been taught to Officiate in a way when the game is over I have a sence [sic] of self worth.

What does this even mean? It's a throw away comment and I infer it to mean you want to take some kind of moral high ground by using it.

[MD Longhorn]

I can't tell if he's trying to say he uses officiating as a self-esteem exercise, or if he's implying that the rest of us (who are performing as per instructions from thousands of different instructors, clinics, books, etc) should label our performance as worthless.

I'm also puzzled by the idea that 7 pages worth of responses telling him he's wrong somehow equals the more vociferous of us being labelled as bullies. (And wondering if I'm one of the two! )

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I can't tell if he's trying to say he uses officiating as a self-esteem exercise, or if he's implying that the rest of us (who are performing as per instructions from thousands of different instructors, clinics, books, etc) should label our performance as worthless.

I'm also puzzled by the idea that 7 pages worth of responses telling him he's wrong somehow equals the more vociferous of us being labelled as bullies. (And wondering if I'm one of the two! )

You're always a bully, mb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X8evilzsW0

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by mbcrowder

I'm also puzzled by the idea that 7 pages worth of responses telling him he's wrong somehow equals the more vociferous of us being labelled as bullies. (And wondering if I'm one of the two! )

Well bullying is wrong. Haven't you seen the latest anti-bullying campaigns?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by umpire12

try calling him blatanly stupid like you did me mb...it might become a bit clearer to you or at least,at the very least, make you appear to be a bully in front of your cronies

Not that I have a horse in this fight but he actually didn't call you that. What he wrote is not what you read.

And that's enough beating a dead dog...or something like that.