2012 ASA Umpire Manual Correction

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I agree. This seems to be an issue with some who believe the DVD is the bible and the end of discussion. I believe the DVD is a good base upon which you start and build. School instructors should be more flexible in training and evaluation. When I say that, I'm not talking about drastic variations, but a slight adjustments that are necessary to see the play to get the call right.

Actually, at the NUS in Burlington this weekend, emphasis was placed on getting to the right starting position, and adjusting as necessary. I thought DG and LP got that message out quite well.

I've only been to 3 NUSs, and DG and LP taught 2 of the 3. So I can't speak for what's being taught elsewhere, but that's the message we got from them both times.

[CecilOne]

Why do the 3 ump mechanics disdain the holding zone, or is it just the holding zone wording?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Why do the 3 ump mechanics disdain the holding zone, or is it just the holding zone wording?

If the 1BU is counter-rotated and neither umpire goes out, there is absolutely no need for the PU to move up the line to the holding zone.

In fact, moving up the line like that could be misinterpreted by the players and coaches. They could misinterpret it as the PU having the call instead of the 3BU, thus lessening the 3BU's credibility on a tight play at 3rd.

There are times when it's advantageous for two umpires to move towards the same play (e.g., the PU trailing the BR with no runners on or a lone runner on 1st). This, however, would not be such a time.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

If the 1BU is counter-rotated and neither umpire goes out, there is absolutely no need for the PU to move up the line to the holding zone.

In fact, moving up the line like that could be misinterpreted by the players and coaches. They could misinterpret it as the PU having the call instead of the 3BU, thus lessening the 3BU's credibility on a tight play at 3rd.

Please, it is a small field, but not that small that ANYONE should be confused whose call it is. I don't think we are referring to an umpire dashing away from the plate. But if the infield play isn't coming to the plate, I'm stepping away as I don't want to have to look through the catcher and a runner to see the developing play in the field.

To answer the previous question, I suspect it is more the wording.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Please, it is a small field, but not that small that ANYONE should be confused whose call it is. I don't think we are referring to an umpire dashing away from the plate. But if the infield play isn't coming to the plate, I'm stepping away as I don't want to have to look through the catcher and a runner to see the developing play in the field.

To answer the previous question, I suspect it is more the wording.

True, but how many times do we hear, "go ask your partner" when our partner is 100+ feet away?

Now if said partner is only 30' away?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

True, but how many times do we hear, "go ask your partner" when our partner is 100+ feet away?

Now if said partner is only 30' away?

You don't have to say yes unless you believe there is a portion of the play you may have missed.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

You don't have to say yes unless you believe there is a portion of the play you may have missed.

Oh, I know, but why should the PU be there in the first place? I'd prefer they stay closer to home plate to get ready for a play there.