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2-57-3 states that a player who violates the CR rule is an illegal substitute. Rule 3-4 will be your guide for determining what penalties should apply.
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Have to admit, I'm not near a book, but I thought the violating CR statement refers to using a player not eligible to be a CR (such as a different player currently in the game or a sub who has already been in the game) Last edited by HugoTafurst; Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 06:37am. |
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Care to expand?
Of course preventive umpiring would (should) have caught this, So really this would not have happend in either of our games ;-) I'm still not sure that this is an illegal player situation or an unannounced substitution (actually 2) since (I am assuming) that the player who came in to run was an eligible substitute. So when she came in, she was not a CR, but a sub... (would you call that the 1st unreported??) and when the next 1/2 inning came in and the other player re-entered, she was an unreported sub.... Without further guidance, that's my ruling on the field. ![]() |
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Assuming the coach told the umpire about the CR, it isn't unreported, it just wasn't reported properly
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But bottom line, are you in agreement that the misreported use of the term CR was not a problem as long as the legal substitution involving those players is viable? Last edited by HugoTafurst; Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 11:52am. |
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Hugo,
Rule 8.9 ART.2 . . . In the top of the first inning only, the pitcher and catcher are identified as those players listed on the lineup as the pitcher and catcher; both must face at least the first batter on defense (one pitch). Thereafter, the pitcher and catcher are identified as the last players who physically played that position on defense. The pitcher or catcher must bat and reach base legally (or earn their way on base) in order to be eligible for a courtesy runner. This was violated so, PENALTY ![]() c. a courtesy runner if that player has violated the courtesy-runner rule. PENALTY: (Art. 1) Restricted to the dugout/bench for the remainder of the game. (Art. 1a, c) She is also called out. Paul
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In this play, I'm envisioning the HC saying, "Time, blue. Courtesy runner for my catcher." That's the way it happens around here. Hopefully, I'd catch that at that moment and explain to the HC that's not a move that's allowed and explain why. Now, if I fail to recognize the situation and allow the courtesy runner, the opposing HC has to bring this to my attention while the illegal sub is on base. Just because she's a viable sub (all eligible courtesy runners are viable subs because, by rule, they are someone who has not yet been in the game), doesn't mean I can change that runner's status just because the opposing coach has rightfully caught his/her opponents in an illegal substitution. I'm not going to bail out a coach and turn that into an unreported substitution situation. Additionally, I'm not going to take a lot of guff from the offending HC if I fail to prevent this situation through preventative umpiring. They need to know the rule, too. 90% of substitutions in HS ball around here start off, "Can I ... ?" ![]() |
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