Missouri v. Washingington

[tcannizzo]

When coach gestures with a swing/hammer, then it is auto-eject, even for the low-ego ump.

But I would like to know what Earlywine said. Being up 5-0 in top 1st with only one out and bases loaded, (or was it 1st and 3rd).

I mean why would he get so hot?

Could he have just said, "Toss me, like THIS!!!!" so he could let the assistants run the game?

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

When coach gestures with a swing/hammer, then it is auto-eject, even for the low-ego ump.

But I would like to know what Earlywine said. Being up 5-0 in top 1st with only one out and bases loaded, (or was it 1st and 3rd).

I mean why would he get so hot?

Could he have just said, "Toss me, like THIS!!!!" so he could let the assistants run the game?

From the game article in the Columbia Daily Tribune (5/29/11)......

"I objected with the call and was heated in the moment", Earlywine said. "He did what he had to do. He felt like he made the right call."
Later on in the same article, when asked about watching the game from the locker room....
"That was painful to watch in there", he said. "It was really, really hard but I guess I deserved it."

Notice there were no cheap shots directed toward the PU in his comments. PU (along with 3BU) took care of business quickly and professionally without a lot fuss...coach understands it. Textbook ejection.

Why would he get so hot up 5-0 with 1 out and runners on in the 1st???...he's a coach. As we all know they are all capable of 'going off' at anytime, in any situation, at any level.

[flipper]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

When coach gestures with a swing/hammer, then it is auto-eject, even for the low-ego ump.

But I would like to know what Earlywine said. Being up 5-0 in top 1st with only one out and bases loaded, (or was it 1st and 3rd).

I mean why would he get so hot?

Could he have just said, "Toss me, like THIS!!!!" so he could let the assistants run the game?

The last thing Earlywine said, while pointing emphatically, was "You missed it." The replays in the 1st inning allow you to read his lips.

However, in about the 3rd inning, they recap the incident from a different angle. You can clearly see Kurnat saying "You better get out of my face!" just before Earlywine's arm swing/point. Now, I'm not saying it was a bad ejection, but how would you expect a college coach, particularly one who played softball at as high a level as this one did, to react to this comment. I can tell you that if the SUP was aware of this type of comment made during the season, it could very well cost that umpire a post-season assignment.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by flipper

The last thing Earlywine said, while pointing emphatically, was "You missed it." The replays in the 1st inning allow you to read his lips.

However, in about the 3rd inning, they recap the incident from a different angle. You can clearly see Kurnat saying "You better get out of my face!" just before Earlywine's arm swing/point. Now, I'm not saying it was a bad ejection, but how would you expect a college coach, particularly one who played softball at as high a level as this one did, to react to this comment.

Really? Sorry, but to me that is a stupid question.

#1. Coach shouldn't be in anyone's face, at any point of any game. It is bush. People think Billy Martin, Gene Mauch, Earl Weaver, etc. were great coaches. Bull, they were clowns, pure and simple. People talk about the umpires being paid and acting professional? What about the coaches who are being paid much more money than the umpire?

#2. Any umpire who allows a coach within arm's distance should either back-off or dump the coach/player immediately.

#3. The response to your question of how would I expect ANYONE to react if told to get out of the umpire's face? I'd expect that person to GET OUT OF THE UMPIRE'S FACE. ESPECIALLY one who has experience you noted. The fact that this ex-player acted in the manner in which he did is an indication to me he has little to no respect for the game and he thinks it is okay to act like an *** on the field.

#4. JK's actions were quite appropriate for the manner in which this coach acted. The only thing I would have done differently is just tell the coach he was gone, turned and walked back to report the ejection and congratulate the assistant on her field promotion.

[KJUmp]

Originally Posted by flipper

The last thing Earlywine said, while pointing emphatically, was "You missed it." The replays in the 1st inning allow you to read his lips.

However, in about the 3rd inning, they recap the incident from a different angle. You can clearly see Kurnat saying "You better get out of my face!" just before Earlywine's arm swing/point. Now, I'm not saying it was a bad ejection, but how would you expect a college coach, particularly one who played softball at as high a level as this one did, to react to this comment. I can tell you that if the SUP was aware of this type of comment made during the season, it could very well cost that umpire a post-season assignment.

OK, you're the PU in the sitch, big game, big stage, big time programs and coaches, big crowd, national TV.....in that heated moment as Earlywine is going ballistic on you, what would you have said to him?

As to how I would expect him to react to the "get out of my face" comment?
He can react anyway he chooses, but if reacts inappropriately by "pointing emphatically" and doing and "arm swing/point" he's likely getting ejected by any good umpire with backbone and integrity.

This is a respected and highly regarded NCAA umpire who has "been here and done that" time and time again. I don't think the SUP will be taking any post-season assignments away from him.

But then again I'm probably wrong about that as I'm not privy to the inner workings of the SUP's post season selection process as you are.

[tcannizzo]

I still want to know why it go so heated, so fast in Top 1 with Earlywine already having a 5-run route and only 1 out.
It didn't take more than 3 seconds for the whole exchange.

PU could have cooled coach down on a difficult call sitch.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by tcannizzo

I still want to know why it go so heated, so fast in Top 1 with Earlywine already having a 5-run route and only 1 out.
It didn't take more than 3 seconds for the whole exchange.

PU could have cooled coach down on a difficult call sitch.

If the coach wasn't so damn animated and confrontational, it probably would have lasted 15-20 seconds, coach voicing his opinion, umpire explaining what he saw and move on from there.

[flipper]

Originally Posted by KJUmp

OK, you're the PU in the sitch, big game, big stage, big time programs and coaches, big crowd, national TV.....in that heated moment as Earlywine is going ballistic on you, what would you have said to him?

It's unlikely I would have said what he appeared to say. It was escalating the situation at best, baiting the coach at worse.

Originally Posted by KJUmp

As to how I would expect him to react to the "get out of my face" comment?
He can react anyway he chooses, but if reacts inappropriately by "pointing emphatically" and doing and "arm swing/point" he's likely getting ejected by any good umpire with backbone and integrity.

Maybe a "chicken or the egg" situation.

Originally Posted by KJUmp

This is a respected and highly regarded NCAA umpire who has "been here and done that" time and time again. I don't think the SUP will be taking any post-season assignments away from him.

It depends on who you talk to on the first sentence, I guess we'll see on the second.

Originally Posted by KJUmp

But then again I'm probably wrong about that as I'm not privy to the inner workings of the SUP's post season selection process as you are.

Maybe, maybe not.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by flipper

It's unlikely I would have said what he appeared to say. It was escalating the situation at best, baiting the coach at worse.

Baiting a coach by warning him to back off to avoid physical contact, because that is exactly what would have happened next. For that matter, I am conviced that is exactly what would have happened had JS not covered his partner's back.

[flipper]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Baiting a coach by warning him to back off to avoid physical contact, because that is exactly what would have happened next. For that matter, I am conviced that is exactly what would have happened had JS not covered his partner's back.

"Get out of my face" is not what most would consider an appropriate way to warn a coach. Plenty other ways to keep from exhibiting the same behavior you're trying to stop.

Sloan did his job. I wouldn't expect anything less from an umpire at this level.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by flipper

"Get out of my face" is not what most would consider an appropriate way to warn a coach. Plenty other ways to keep from exhibiting the same behavior you're trying to stop.

Sloan did his job. I wouldn't expect anything less from an umpire at this level.

I'll bite....

what else in place of 'get out of my face' should have been said? (if I missed it in this thread, my bad)

I am not saying you are wrong, just looking for a different stance to get the same point across.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by flipper

"Get out of my face" is not what most would consider an appropriate way to warn a coach. Plenty other ways to keep from exhibiting the same behavior you're trying to stop.

I would agree to a point since I never let anyone that close to me without getting rid of them.

However, I have absolutely no problem with JKs words (assuming that is what was said) to some moron, coach or otherwise, that shouldn't be there to start.

You don't want to handle it that way, fine, do whatever works for you. That doesn't mean others are wrong for addressing it in a different manner.