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Old Mon May 30, 2011, 05:13pm
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Missouri v. Washingington

Mizzou at bat, 1st inning, 1 out. MU had just scored their 5th run of the inning. Batter pulls a dribbler towards 3B. The ball rolls into foul territory with defense hovering over ball. It starts back towards the line. Fielder reaches toward the ball and then pulls back. She does pick it up when the ball is smack in the middle of the foul line.

TeeVee announcer says the call was made BEFORE the ball was touched by defense. PU is out of view so I couldn't see when he made his call. He must of thought fielder touched at first reach. (Head coach was tossed after offering his take on the play.)

Anyone see it?
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Old Mon May 30, 2011, 06:18pm
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Mizzou at bat, 1st inning, 1 out. MU had just scored their 5th run of the inning. Batter pulls a dribbler towards 3B. The ball rolls into foul territory with defense hovering over ball. It starts back towards the line. Fielder reaches toward the ball and then pulls back. She does pick it up when the ball is smack in the middle of the foul line.

TeeVee announcer says the call was made BEFORE the ball was touched by defense. PU is out of view so I couldn't see when he made his call. He must of thought fielder touched at first reach. (Head coach was tossed after offering his take on the play.)

Anyone see it?
A few times and I understand why the umpire called it foul.

F5 charged the ball, waited for it to go foul and reached for the ball and then, seemingly hesitating for the ball to go "farther" into foul territoy, pulled her hand back.

We all had a different angle, but when F5 reached down and placed her hand over the ball, from the RHBB, I can understand how that would seem to the PU that she touched the ball in foul territory.

And then you have the bell unrung issue.
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Old Mon May 30, 2011, 11:03pm
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One good reason you pause, read, react. Don't make a call too early and use every piece of information available.

I can see also how he came to his conclusion. The one good thing in that whole sequence was 3BU being rodeo clown.
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Old Tue May 31, 2011, 06:17am
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One good reason you pause, read, react. Don't make a call too early and use every piece of information available.

I can see also how he came to his conclusion. The one good thing in that whole sequence was 3BU being rodeo clown.
I agree. JS did a great job of putting himself between the coach and partner. Had he not, and with the way the coach likes to emphasize his points with vivid gestures, it may have gotten much uglier than it already was.

Of course, on other boards, JK is the egomaniacal umpire from hell who made the worst call in the world to show off and show them who is in control.
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Old Tue May 31, 2011, 10:29am
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When coach gestures with a swing/hammer, then it is auto-eject, even for the low-ego ump.

But I would like to know what Earlywine said. Being up 5-0 in top 1st with only one out and bases loaded, (or was it 1st and 3rd).

I mean why would he get so hot?

Could he have just said, "Toss me, like THIS!!!!" so he could let the assistants run the game?
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Old Tue May 31, 2011, 11:15am
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When coach gestures with a swing/hammer, then it is auto-eject, even for the low-ego ump.

But I would like to know what Earlywine said. Being up 5-0 in top 1st with only one out and bases loaded, (or was it 1st and 3rd).

I mean why would he get so hot?

Could he have just said, "Toss me, like THIS!!!!" so he could let the assistants run the game?
From the game article in the Columbia Daily Tribune (5/29/11)......

"I objected with the call and was heated in the moment", Earlywine said. "He did what he had to do. He felt like he made the right call."
Later on in the same article, when asked about watching the game from the locker room....
"That was painful to watch in there", he said. "It was really, really hard but I guess I deserved it."

Notice there were no cheap shots directed toward the PU in his comments. PU (along with 3BU) took care of business quickly and professionally without a lot fuss...coach understands it. Textbook ejection.

Why would he get so hot up 5-0 with 1 out and runners on in the 1st???...he's a coach. As we all know they are all capable of 'going off' at anytime, in any situation, at any level.
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Old Wed Jun 01, 2011, 09:29pm
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When coach gestures with a swing/hammer, then it is auto-eject, even for the low-ego ump.

But I would like to know what Earlywine said. Being up 5-0 in top 1st with only one out and bases loaded, (or was it 1st and 3rd).

I mean why would he get so hot?

Could he have just said, "Toss me, like THIS!!!!" so he could let the assistants run the game?
The last thing Earlywine said, while pointing emphatically, was "You missed it." The replays in the 1st inning allow you to read his lips.

However, in about the 3rd inning, they recap the incident from a different angle. You can clearly see Kurnat saying "You better get out of my face!" just before Earlywine's arm swing/point. Now, I'm not saying it was a bad ejection, but how would you expect a college coach, particularly one who played softball at as high a level as this one did, to react to this comment. I can tell you that if the SUP was aware of this type of comment made during the season, it could very well cost that umpire a post-season assignment.
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Old Tue May 31, 2011, 10:44am
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I agree. JS did a great job of putting himself between the coach and partner. Had he not, and with the way the coach likes to emphasize his points with vivid gestures, it may have gotten much uglier than it already was.

Of course, on other boards, JK is the egomaniacal umpire from hell who made the worst call in the world to show off and show them who is in control.
I guess those kind of posters will just never 'get it'.
That ''egomaniacal umpire[s] from hell who make the worst call[s] in the world to show off and show them who is in control" don't get selected to work the top level games season after season in NCAA, ASA, or any other sanctioning body.

I did not see the game live, but did watch the ESPN video several times and agree with your earlier post on the call. What I didn't see was the obvious good work of JS in handling Mizzou coach after JK tossed him. Is there any video of that or was it just on the live telecast?
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Old Tue May 31, 2011, 11:04am
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They ran the replay 3 or 4 times shortly after the call. 3BU was like a blocking back - coach couldn't get close to PU. Probably the second best thing that happened to the coach that day!
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