Ball 4 missed

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

Added reply, missed that point first time through.

The failure of the umpires to note the count has no bearing. It is the same as an umpire telling a player the wrong number of outs; there are clear case play rulings that it is the primary responsibility of the teams to know the number of outs, the number of strikes, etc., and not knowing or even being told wrong by an umpire doesn't absolve them. Once the situation plays out, the rules must still be enforced based on what happened. You cannot apply "jeopardy" for the teams not knowing the game situation.

I was only saying that if we are ignoring (as you say we should) the umpire's mistake and put everything solely on the players (again, as you say we should), then we don't have a BOO situation - we have continuing play after an awarded base. The apparent pitch is not a pitch - the previous play could not yet be over. BR has not left the field of play, has not gone backward on the baseline, has not reached the award base - there is not yet an end to this play.