Electronic Equipment on Field (ASA)

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And with bluetooth devices getting smaller and smaller, it's conceivable that someone could have a bluetooth earpiece that's hardly noticeable with a cell phone hidden in the dugout. Bluetooth has a range of over 30 feet.

You might want to check closer if you see the coach talking into his sleeve!

[vcblue]

This was brought to the attension of the SoCal UIC at the Rules Clinic. He stated as long as the Iphone was beening used as a scorebook it is legal.

[okla21fan]

Originally Posted by vcblue

This was brought to the attension of the SoCal UIC at the Rules Clinic. He stated as long as the Iphone was beening used as a scorebook it is legal.

Which is the exact opposite the region 7 UIC said.

he broke it down pretty simply: If the electronic score-keeping device had the ability to communicate in any way to another device or could also take video, it should not be allowed.

a 'PDA' as long as it did not have the ability above would be legal.

[vcblue]

Originally Posted by okla21fan

Which is the exact opposite the region 7 UIC said.

he broke it down pretty simply: If the electronic score-keeping device had the ability to communicate in any way to another device or could also take video, it should not be allowed.

a 'PDA' as long as it did not have the ability above would be legal.

Ok so when I come out to Region 7 No iphone.l When you come out to Region 14 Yes iphone. But let's not forget Socal is the Fastpitch mecca.

[MichaelVA2000]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You might want to check closer if you see the coach talking into his sleeve!

If the coach starts talking into their shoes, I'm immediately looking for secret agent Maxwell Smart.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by MichaelVA2000

If the coach starts talking into their shoes, I'm immediately looking for secret agent Maxwell Smart.

I heard it was okay as long as the shoe was sold by ASA

[shagpal]

it's out, and here's an app already.

iScore Baseball - Product Info

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by shagpal

it's out, and here's an app already.

iScore Baseball - Product Info

Okay, I'll bite.

In this case, I don't consider the iPad a communication device. Knowing the product, I would classify it more as an electronic scorekeeping device. I really don't see how an iPad could effectively be used to gain any upper hand over another team.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Okay, I'll bite.

In this case, I don't consider the iPad a communication device. Knowing the product, I would classify it more as an electronic scorekeeping device. I really don't see how an iPad could effectively be used to gain any upper hand over another team.

If there is a wifi signal nearby, any number of ways are available to communicate. Eventually (probably the eyePad 3G ), it will connect to cell phone service, as well. But, if some coach is dumb enough to take a $700 electronic device out into the playing field, well ...

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

If there is a wifi signal nearby, any number of ways are available to communicate. Eventually (probably the eyePad 3G ), it will connect to cell phone service, as well. But, if some coach is dumb enough to take a $700 electronic device out into the playing field, well ...

So would you classify this as a communication device? Or an electronic scorebook?

The iPad can't make any phone calls, send text messages, nor does it have any camera functions.

Again, the lines between certain devices are now becoming increasingly blurred, and I predict it won't be long (less than 2 years) before all devices that are strictly 100% electronic scorebooks will cease to exist in favor of software-based development.

[bniu]

Originally Posted by Dakota

You might want to check closer if you see the coach talking into his sleeve!

i've got enough to worry about. If I can see it, i might under the proper circumstances gently remind the coach about the rule but i'm not going inside their pockets, under their sleeves to check...the first rule of all umpiring should be "don't go looking for trouble".

Younger more tech savvy umpires will probably let iphones slide more. The tournament commissioner could ask coaches with iphones to remove their sim cards and deposit the sim cards with the commish. i'm sure there's no wifi access points around ballparks, unless a coach hides a mi-fi device in an equipment bag...

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by bniu

i've got enough to worry about. If I can see it, i might under the proper circumstances gently remind the coach about the rule but i'm not going inside their pockets, under their sleeves to check...the first rule of all umpiring should be "don't go looking for trouble".

Younger more tech savvy umpires will probably let iphones slide more. The tournament commissioner could ask coaches with iphones to remove their sim cards and deposit the sim cards with the commish. i'm sure there's no wifi access points around ballparks, unless a coach hides a mi-fi device in an equipment bag...

Don't know about the rest of the world, but in the US, iPhones do not have removable SIM cards.

Some Android phones on certain carriers, however, may have removable SIM cards, but they may also still have wireless (a-la 802.11b or 802.11g).

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Don't know about the rest of the world, but in the US, iPhones do not have removable SIM cards.

Some Android phones on certain carriers, however, may have removable SIM cards, but they may also still have wireless (a-la 802.11b or 802.11g).

SIM cards are only used with GSM carriers (in the USA, AT&T, T-Mobile). They are not used with CDMA carriers (in the USA, Verizon, Sprint).

[shagpal]

I got a world phone. it's cdma and tdma (gsm). it's a mutli-band phone that can do cdma (verzion/sprint) as well as inserting a sim card and using att or tmobile. when I got the phone, it had a verizon gsm sim card in it for world roaming travel, but I got it sim unlocked and can switch from verizon to tmobile (I'm using a tmobile prepaid sim card). I think only HTC makes those world phones at the moment.

Originally Posted by Dakota

SIM cards are only used with GSM carriers (in the USA, AT&T, T-Mobile). They are not used with CDMA carriers (in the USA, Verizon, Sprint).

[Dakota]

So-called "world phones" are marketed by CDMA companies (such as Verizon) so their customers can use their native CDMA service in the USA and GSM service internationally. Several quad band GSM / dual band CDMA phones are currently being sold by Verizon, for example, from a variety of manufacturers including Samsung, RIM, HTC, and PCD. None of this changes the fact that Verizon is a CDMA service and the SIM card is only for GSM service.