Electronic Equipment on Field (ASA)

[Skahtboi]

Personally, I think ASA and all other organizations should make a stand one way or the other. Either completely disallow electronic devices of any form, for the reasons Dave has already stated, or decide that you are going to allow everything. I lean toward the first, myself. And if that is the course they choose, there should be no exceptions.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

Personally, I think ASA and all other organizations should make a stand one way or the other. Either completely disallow electronic devices of any form, for the reasons Dave has already stated, or decide that you are going to allow everything. I lean toward the first, myself. And if that is the course they choose, there should be no exceptions.

I do not disagree. However, it shouldn't be that difficult to notice if the coach is using the "device" for something other than keeping score.

The crux of this change that was discussed in committee seemed to lean toward video. Of course, we have all seen or heard about morons wanting to show the umpire a video of a play for either a ruling or intimidation purposes. OTOH, I could see the point concerning communications with outside concerns. While I believe stealing and interpreting signals is part of any game strategy, it should be within the confines of the field, not with the help of someone posted on top of a hill 200 yds away with high-power binoculars.

Yes, I know how ridiculous that sounds, but who on here that has been around a while would put that past some coaches/parents you have encountered?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

However, it shouldn't be that difficult to notice if the coach is using the "device" for something other than keeping score.

During a game, how much do you, or any of us, ever notice what a coach is doing? If they are using their iPhone with a scoring app to stay within the strictest confines of the rule, how can we notice if they send a text or email?
If they have their scoring device out there, and it is, as Dave suggested, an iPad, are you going to know whether or not they are communicating online with anyother individual, say on the hill 200 ft away with high powered binoculars? No....to prevent any communication, it is easier just to do away with all electronic devices. Paper and pen/pencil have worked well for ages, if score keeping is all that they are interested in.

[Paws7]

I use an iPod Touch with the iScore app (great program for under $5). What I have found is while it is pretty easy to use, it does have it problems (glare) and in a fast moving game to be using it on the field is too consuming.

I'd like to know if any of you have seen this "Clicker" app for iPod/iPhone?

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ump-c...349703143?mt=8

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[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Paws7

I use an iPod Touch with the iScore app (great program for under $5). What I have found is while it is pretty easy to use, it does have it problems (glare) and in a fast moving game to be using it on the field is too consuming.

I'd like to know if any of you have seen this "Clicker" app for iPod/iPhone?

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ump-c...349703143?mt=8

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Even if I had this app, I would not want to put it on a phone that has a base cost in the hundreds of dollars while I'm on the field.

[BretMan]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Even if I had this app, I would not want to put it on a phone that has a base cost in the hundreds of dollars while I'm on the field.

Same with the fantastic countdown timer application that came standard on my iPod Touch. It's simple to use, has a nice loud buzzer and would be perfect for using in timed games- if I didn't have to expose my shiny new iPod to dirt, sweat or a possible stray pitch!

[Dakota]

Taking the rule and RS as written, the following are prohibited:

• cell phones
• head phones or ear phone
• other wireless communications devices (blue tooth and wifi are communications technologies, so devices with this technology are prohibited)
• other audio or video equipment

The only electronic device allowed is an electronic scorebook. It does not say that a communications devices with a scorebook app is legal. It is still a communications device, and hence illegal.

This means that smartphones (iPhone, Driod, Blackberry, etc.) are prohibited because they are communications devices, regardless of what apps are on the device.

I'm not sure you can buy electronic scorebooks that are not also communications devices, but that would seem to be all that is legal.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

During a game, how much do you, or any of us, ever notice what a coach is doing? If they are using their iPhone with a scoring app to stay within the strictest confines of the rule, how can we notice if they send a text or email?
If they have their scoring device out there, and it is, as Dave suggested, an iPad, are you going to know whether or not they are communicating online with anyother individual, say on the hill 200 ft away with high powered binoculars? No....to prevent any communication, it is easier just to do away with all electronic devices. Paper and pen/pencil have worked well for ages, if score keeping is all that they are interested in.

And even if they COULD communicate with someone else on the field, the latency of the network would prevent any useful information from reaching the right people in time. Granted, network latency is constantly improving, but in a game situation, even a <1ms latency isn't enough to be of any benefit. Not to mention the fact that the devices then need to process and render whatever signals have been received.

In short, using these devices as a covert means of communicating around the field is, in all honesty, quite useless and futile (at this time).

As for Mike's comment regarding the recording of plays, that's always going to exist, whether ASA prohibits video equipment in dugouts or not. There's ALWAYS going to be some (hot) mom in the stands with a camcorder who's more than willing to show you her footage.

[Big Slick]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

In short, using these devices as a covert means of communicating around the field is, in all honesty, quite useless and futile (at this time).

While text and email are considerations, let us not forget about blue tooth earpieces. I think this more likely. I witnessed it while off the field (observing the "talker"), and it took me a few minutes to realize who he is talking to.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Big Slick

While text and email are considerations, let us not forget about blue tooth earpieces. I think this more likely. I witnessed it while off the field (observing the "talker"), and it took me a few minutes to realize who he is talking to.

And with bluetooth devices getting smaller and smaller, it's conceivable that someone could have a bluetooth earpiece that's hardly noticeable with a cell phone hidden in the dugout. Bluetooth has a range of over 30 feet.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And with bluetooth devices getting smaller and smaller, it's conceivable that someone could have a bluetooth earpiece that's hardly noticeable with a cell phone hidden in the dugout. Bluetooth has a range of over 30 feet.

You might want to check closer if you see the coach talking into his sleeve!