2020, anyone?

[wadeintothem]

I think ASA can and will make the changes to effectively make that league useless, but they gotta listen.

Obviously Gary is feeding off the anger. It only benefits him really to have this tourney under his little "realm". The rest just want a good tourney, and they dont feel like they are getting it in OKC with ASA so they are going to go there next year.

So if ASA adjusts, they'll come back.

There are other tourney orgs in CA doing similar things. They get 100's of teams in these showcases and they have a lot of money and influence to do things.

ASA just needs to not get so bogged down within itself.


I would say ASA should rethink ACE, rethink regs that are having 1,000's of the most popular bats confiscated, 9 day 64 team tourneys on only a few fields, and these other things that are happening that are costing these people real money and they are reacting to it. Charging the college coaches is lame.


Times are tough on the ole wallet, so Gary is striking now.


Plus the college player issue - the college players gotta go.l
Semper Gumby
Always flexible.

Some times you gotta adjust fire.

And I hope to call with you in the Gold in that Stadium too!

[ronald]

What is ACE?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by ronald

What is ACE?

It is a card, four of fifty-two in a deck. Each has a single shape in the center and an "A" in two corners.


Oh, you mean in ASA softball

http://www.asasoftball.com/youth/certification.asp

It was originally required of all coaches and dugout personnel were required to take. Then it was required of at least one adult in the dugout.

From what I understand, ASA pretty much backed off it altogether by the end of the year.

[RKBUmp]

A lot of top teams have committed to play in Hannings tournament, but will be interesting to see what really happens. Have already heard talk that some of those top teams are just going to have 2 teams, one that goes to OKC, the other that goes to Hannings. Which tournament gets the A team and which one the B will have to wait and see.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

A lot of top teams have committed to play in Hannings tournament, but will be interesting to see what really happens. Have already heard talk that some of those top teams are just going to have 2 teams, one that goes to OKC, the other that goes to Hannings. Which tournament gets the A team and which one the B will have to wait and see.

Vienna shamrocks is on that list but they did not even qualify this year. First time in 22 years. So, how do teams get to the Gold tourney? I thought it was by winning or placing in a qualifier. All those team listed by Wade can not qualify every year. Does not seem possible.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by ronald

What is ACE?

The ACE coaches program includes some education aspects, a $5M liability policy, a criminal background check, and was pushed as a response to ASA's insurance carrier suggesting some of these programs as a risk managemnet program.

The teams have had some concern about the cost of registration (which includes insurance); ASA pushed the ACE program to educate and insure the coaches, while protecting the players from predator adults and attempting to hold the costs of registration/insurance. Since it wasn't presented that way, the coaches decided (as they almost always conclude) that ASA did it to make money.

So far as I am aware, there is almost zero positive cash flow from requiring ACE certification of coaches in the youth programs; the cost benefits were to hold the line on future insurance premium increases.

Wade, I won't be logging in as a user on heybucket, although I do read it from time to time, so feel free to pass this perspective to the coaches. IMO, it is a red herring, anyway, as is the college player issue (SPY listed 97 college participants out of more than 1000 overall; 64 teams with 15-20 roster players).

IMO, the positives are really only to the SoCal teams; they can get more teams in, while staying at home. The East Coast (and probably most nonCal) teams will actually pay more to participate in the Premiere; but they are convinced that they need to rebel, that ASA doesn't listen to them, (and mostly, that they won't be accepted into the OTHER showcases they want to be in, like the Champions Cup, if they don't buy into this). Flights into OKC aren't cheap; LAX is certainly better. But I seriously doubt hotels, restaurants, rental cars, and "the other things to do" are cheaper in Huntingdon Beach, CA, than OKC!!

[wadeintothem]

He has a lot of weak arguments..

The fences.. he was whimpering about the humidity early on.

He mr talking point right now. He thinks he will be next king of earth. They are even calling him Mr. Hanning now lol a month ago he was and always has been "gary".

They are like sheep. Fairly amusing. I got a new term for it.. "the gary messiah"

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

They are like sheep. Fairly amusing. I got a new term for it.. "the gary messiah"

There's a lot of that going around these days...

[RKBUmp]

He was complaining about the fences in OKC? I dont ever remember there being a fence up at any of his tournaments that my duaghter played in.

If a team attends his premier tournament, wonder if they will be required as in his other tournaments to book a certain number of hotel rooms from the approved hotels on his list? By the way, if you dont, no more invitations to his tournaments.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

He was complaining about the fences in OKC?

What in the name of Bill Plummer could be the problem with the fences?

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by RKBUmp

He was complaining about the fences in OKC? I dont ever remember there being a fence up at any of his tournaments that my duaghter played in.

If a team attends his premier tournament, wonder if they will be required as in his other tournaments to book a certain number of hotel rooms from the approved hotels on his list? By the way, if you dont, no more invitations to his tournaments.

WHY did she bother to play in them then?

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

He has a lot of weak arguments..

The fences.. he was whimpering about the humidity early on.

He mr talking point right now. He thinks he will be next king of earth. They are even calling him Mr. Hanning now lol a month ago he was and always has been "gary".

They are like sheep. Fairly amusing. I got a new term for it.. "the gary messiah"

Just my opinion...be careful guys...ignorance is bliss!!

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

The ACE coaches program includes some education aspects, a $5M liability policy, a criminal background check, and was pushed as a response to ASA's insurance carrier suggesting some of these programs as a risk managemnet program.

The teams have had some concern about the cost of registration (which includes insurance); ASA pushed the ACE program to educate and insure the coaches, while protecting the players from predator adults and attempting to hold the costs of registration/insurance. Since it wasn't presented that way, the coaches decided (as they almost always conclude) that ASA did it to make money.

So far as I am aware, there is almost zero positive cash flow from requiring ACE certification of coaches in the youth programs; the cost benefits were to hold the line on future insurance premium increases.

Wade, I won't be logging in as a user on heybucket, although I do read it from time to time, so feel free to pass this perspective to the coaches. IMO, it is a red herring, anyway, as is the college player issue (SPY listed 97 college participants out of more than 1000 overall; 64 teams with 15-20 roster players).

IMO, the positives are really only to the SoCal teams; they can get more teams in, while staying at home. The East Coast (and probably most nonCal) teams will actually pay more to participate in the Premiere; but they are convinced that they need to rebel, that ASA doesn't listen to them, (and mostly, that they won't be accepted into the OTHER showcases they want to be in, like the Champions Cup, if they don't buy into this). Flights into OKC aren't cheap; LAX is certainly better. But I seriously doubt hotels, restaurants, rental cars, and "the other things to do" are cheaper in Huntingdon Beach, CA, than OKC!!

Champions Cup is run by SoCal ASA and there is a competing Showcase Tournament that same weekend.