2020, anyone?

IRISHMAFIA · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by luvthegame

If Walmart offers (to it's customer base) a perceived better product...a more convenient product...with more perceived value..and a lesser overall price... with better perceived customer service.....than Target does......I am shopping Walmart!!

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

luvthegame · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

Obviously...the Gold Coaches feel differently than you do!!

They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else.
Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

IRISHMAFIA · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by luvthegame

Obviously...the Gold Coaches feel differently than you do!!

They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else.
Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

I understand they have an agenda. It IS exploited and nearly mythical at times. There are not enough scholarships available to accommodate all the promises or claims made.

My point is that ASA is not a clearing house for college recruits. However, they go out of their way to accommodate the teams, players and coaches in providing schedules, exclusive access to some data and constant flow of up to the game status.

But in the long run, their mission is to promote and advance the sport of softball for all, not just those vying for a scholarship.

luvthegame · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 07:39pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I understand they have an agenda. It IS exploited and nearly mythical at times. There are not enough scholarships available to accommodate all the promises or claims made.

My point is that ASA is not a clearing house for college recruits. However, they go out of their way to accommodate the teams, players and coaches in providing schedules, exclusive access to some data and constant flow of up to the game status.

But in the long run, their mission is to promote and advance the sport of softball for all, not just those vying for a scholarship.

I agree with you....and so do the Gold coaches!

NCASAUmp · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 07:53pm

So uhh... How 'bout them Olympics?

wadeintothem · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 08:02pm

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So uhh... How 'bout them Olympics?

The olympics are lame.

NCASAUmp · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 08:10pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem

The olympics are lame.

wade, do you need a hug?

Dutch Alex · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 03:26am

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp: So uhh... How 'bout them Olympics?

The olympics are lame.

Well thank you, Wade. You forget that the softball-world is bigger than just the all-mighty-US of A!
Thousands softball-playing girls, outside the USA, have their dreams: Playing ball at the Olympics. Their dream, not the gold, just to play with and against the best at the largest tournament men has ever known. That dream has been struck.

Not only because your mr Easton, apparantly, didn't vote for Softball. It's also 'cause softball suffer from the good name MBL has given to baseball. It's 'cause the belgian frog loves to golf (Rugby7's should be Olympic as well, IMHO).
You may have a national problem with school-softball and the 18G-program. But please that's no reason, nor an answer for shutting the game out from the Olympics. The world is too large, to let your national problem be a global one.

I'm still dreaming about 2020! It would be great if my son could play 7's-rugby with the dutch national team, and his proud dad would be calling games in the softball-tournament! I know, it's not gonna happen. The dream itself is great!

In this "post-Maddoff" period, all we need is money! And in IMHO that is no-problem; we don't have any anymore!

wadeintothem · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 08:16pm

You know, it might not be so bad to have so cal have their own "I dont wanna travel or go in the heat wah wah" league.

Sure will be a lot less sniveling at nats.

luvthegame · #10 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 09:53pm

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You know, it might not be so bad to have so cal have their own "I dont wanna travel or go in the heat wah wah" league.

Sure will be a lot less sniveling at nats.

I don't think Phil or any of the other Nor Cal Gold coaches committed to this tournament (or the others throughout the nation for that matter) would appreciate you lumping them in that catagory?

wadeintothem · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 10:12pm

I'm sure he makes you quiver in your pants.. but thats not me. I respect him as a coach and when Stings pitcher joined Sorcerers I knew and posted they were the team to beat. I also have a lot of respect for Kim and the way she coaches and calls the defensive game.

But they have a chosen path. We'll just have to see how it goes. Obviously, ASA goes on... ASA wont curl up in a ball because a few teams left. There are plenty of teams.

This is not the end of the world. Hopefully ASA takes the opportunity to improve some things, and HOPEFULLy bring some back - but for the rest, nothing can be done about them and no crying over spilt milk. At this point, they are spilled milk.

The representation was a bunch of SP /non JO guys was forcing college players on JO ball.. when apparently, it never even left their own committee.

I'm afraid this is on them, in the end.

Andy · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 10:06am

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You know, it might not be so bad to have so cal have their own "I dont wanna travel or go in the heat wah wah" league.

Sure will be a lot less sniveling at nats.

Here's an idea for JO Nats to reduce sniveling:

Send the teams to one location to play, but tell all the parents that they are playing on the other side of the country!

IRISHMAFIA · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 11:21am

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Here's an idea for JO Nats to reduce sniveling:

Send the teams to one location to play, but tell all the parents that they are playing on the other side of the country!

But then they would miss the family vacation experience they insist should be part of the national tournament.

IRISHMAFIA · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 07:30am

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They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Yet, most of the coaches I talk to WANT to see the kids playing in a highly competitive atmosphere where everything is on the line, not just going through the motions to demonstrate their talent.

These coaches see and hear enough from the friendlies and showcases and are inundated with CD's and resumes long before nationals come around. When these coaches come to ASA nationals, mant (if not most) know who they going to be watching before they even get to town. If a coach happens to notice another player, that is just icing on the cake, but most of the better players are already in contention or have been contacted.

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Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else. Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

And that is the attitude that keeps Walmart in business. This type of company is target (you, not the store) oriented. They prey on lower income communities with lower-quality merchandise.

You are the consumer, you should expect a business to care.

wadeintothem · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 08:30am

The recruiting thing is BS. 95 % of their players are verballed, signed, or in college by nats. If you watched on the internet feed it listed their college. I think I saw one player who didnt have a college listed.

You dig deep into just about any thing and the answer is money.

I would bet it is OKC's horrible facilities fed by the expense of those horrible conditions and the length of being at those facilities that is fueling this big time. Many have to take nearly two weeks off work to go sit around bored in OKC. This is a thing thats bugging them.

Secondary is the college players. A few have been wanting them apparently removed. This may be the case, as is so often true in this country, of the few outshouting the many, and maybe ASA will act on that, I dont know.

Recruiting at nats.. mostly nonfactor in reality.