2020, anyone?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I would bet it is OKC's horrible facilities fed by the expense of those horrible conditions and the length of being at those facilities that is fueling this big time. Many have to take nearly two weeks off work to go sit around bored in OKC.

OK, what is so horrible about the facilities in OKC? Also there is tons of things to keep you busy in OKC, the Bricktown area with the Memorial is a two-three day venture to take it all in. Where do you get this information about the horrible facilities and nothing to do? Have you ever been to OKC?

Just curious.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

...the Bricktown area with the Memorial is a two-three day venture to take it all in....

Which, by reports, would get you about 1/3 of the way through pool play! Now what?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Which, by reports, would get you about 1/3 of the way through pool play! Now what?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Which, by reports, would get you about 1/3 of the way through pool play! Now what?

I used to think that about OKC, until I stayed there for more than two nights. There is a bundle to do there.

To start, I thought it was a SOFTBALL TOURNAMENT which usually revolves around the games, not entertaining boring people.

Yes, it probably should be shorter and that will probably happen sooner than later.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

OK, what is so horrible about the facilities in OKC? Also there is tons of things to keep you busy in OKC, the Bricktown area with the Memorial is a two-three day venture to take it all in. Where do you get this information about the horrible facilities and nothing to do? Have you ever been to OKC?

Just curious.

Actually, I have been to OKC quite a bit - but not for softball. 10 years ago I used to travel there to work on occasions. It was fairly boring. The Toby Keith bar and grill with the big guitar on the roof was cool.. however, My response was fed by the coaches and other umpires statement about the conditions and lack of facilities in OKC.

Obviously, at this point and time inadequate to host a big tourney.

If its so great, why is the top 20 +/- gold teams, including returning champs, in LA next year?

I would bet it is MOSTLY the expense and conditions of OKC. They'll go be happy with nice weather, great facilities in L.A. while the 18B's are in OKC.

The rest of the stuff just irratates them (like ACE) - but the money and conditions of OKC are obviously not what these coaches are looking for.



Hopefully this is a one year deal though and the ASA Voting bodies wake up on this issue and take action.

[ronald]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

If its so great, why is the top 20 +/- gold teams, including returning champs, in LA next year?

Wade,

Is this a done deal? signed, sealed and delivered?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by ronald

Wade,

Is this a done deal? signed, sealed and delivered?

Yep, another boring showcase.

BTW, the OKC area is quite inexpensive

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yep, another boring showcase.

BTW, the OKC area is quite inexpensive

College coaches flock to these "boring" showcases!!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by luvthegame

College coaches flock to these "boring" showcases!!

And do you know why?

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

however, My response was fed by the coaches and other umpires statement about the conditions and lack of facilities in OKC. Obviously, at this point and time inadequate to host a big tourney. I would bet it is MOSTLY the expense and conditions of OKC.

The statements about the "conditions and lack of facilities in OKC" is bogus. Plenty of big parks around the metro area to handle this. Boomer Softball complex is close to HOF to just name one. The costs of food, hotel, and entertainment in OKC are minimal.

I would suggest you get to OKC and spend some time there and form your own opinion. Don't take the "coaches and other umpires" word for it.

I have had the pleasure of calling on Field 1 at HOF Stadium on several occassions. There isn't anything like umpiring on that field. The hair on your neck stands up when you walk out there and you look around and think about the people who have played and umpired there before.

This, the 18 Gold, will probably be the only time most of those girls get the chance to play on that field.

Personally, I can't think of a better place, with that much history, to play the 18 Gold.

If they can't take the heat of Oklahoma in August, they don't need to be playing softball!

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

The statements about the "conditions and lack of facilities in OKC" is bogus. Plenty of big parks around the metro area to handle this. Boomer Softball complex is close to HOF to just name one. The costs of food, hotel, and entertainment in OKC are minimal.

I would suggest you get to OKC and spend some time there and form your own opinion. Don't take the "coaches and other umpires" word for it.

I have had the pleasure of calling on Field 1 at HOF Stadium on several occassions. There isn't anything like umpiring on that field. The hair on your neck stands up when you walk out there and you look around and think about the people who have played and umpired there before.

This, the 18 Gold, will probably be the only time most of those girls get the chance to play on that field.

Personally, I can't think of a better place, with that much history, to play the 18 Gold.

If they can't take the heat of Oklahoma in August, they don't need to be playing softball!

My opinion doesnt mean squat and if you could read at all, you would see I was repeating the claims of coaches. I would LOVE to call in the stadium and it fact its my goal to do so.

These teams, including the current 18G champs, will NOT be in OKC next year and do not agree with your glowing assessment. More are surely to be announced.


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As to your statement about "they shouldnt be playing softball" - they will be, just not in OKC.

Hopefully, and I'm sure, the voting body does not ALL have the same opinion you do.

Read the names a couple of times if you need too, becuase thats a whos who of gold.

And Holloway, this game isnt about you and the hairs on your neck. its about the players on those teams. You just call.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

And Holloway, this game isnt about you and the hairs on your neck. its about the players on those teams. You just call.

And where did I say it was about me? Don't think I did, I was just trying to say it is an experience that EVERYONE (players and umpires) should get to experience. I hope you make it there someday Wade, it is a great experience. One of my goals is to get selected to the 18 Gold as well Maybe we can JUST CALL together. Sorry you took my post personal, wasn't meant to be.

Once again, I would like to know what the "gripe" is about the costs in OKC and the facilities in OKC? Sure it's hot here in August but we can't control that. I made the statement about the heat because in late May and early June (WCWS time which is what all these girls are striving for) it is hot too in OKC!!!

[wadeintothem]

I think ASA can and will make the changes to effectively make that league useless, but they gotta listen.

Obviously Gary is feeding off the anger. It only benefits him really to have this tourney under his little "realm". The rest just want a good tourney, and they dont feel like they are getting it in OKC with ASA so they are going to go there next year.

So if ASA adjusts, they'll come back.

There are other tourney orgs in CA doing similar things. They get 100's of teams in these showcases and they have a lot of money and influence to do things.

ASA just needs to not get so bogged down within itself.


I would say ASA should rethink ACE, rethink regs that are having 1,000's of the most popular bats confiscated, 9 day 64 team tourneys on only a few fields, and these other things that are happening that are costing these people real money and they are reacting to it. Charging the college coaches is lame.


Times are tough on the ole wallet, so Gary is striking now.


Plus the college player issue - the college players gotta go.l
Semper Gumby
Always flexible.

Some times you gotta adjust fire.

And I hope to call with you in the Gold in that Stadium too!

[ronald]

What is ACE?

[luvthegame]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

The statements about the "conditions and lack of facilities in OKC" is bogus. Plenty of big parks around the metro area to handle this. Boomer Softball complex is close to HOF to just name one. The costs of food, hotel, and entertainment in OKC are minimal.

I would suggest you get to OKC and spend some time there and form your own opinion. Don't take the "coaches and other umpires" word for it.

I have had the pleasure of calling on Field 1 at HOF Stadium on several occassions. There isn't anything like umpiring on that field. The hair on your neck stands up when you walk out there and you look around and think about the people who have played and umpired there before.

This, the 18 Gold, will probably be the only time most of those girls get the chance to play on that field.

Personally, I can't think of a better place, with that much history, to play the 18 Gold.

If they can't take the heat of Oklahoma in August, they don't need to be playing softball!

It is a cool field to umpire on but most of the players at 18G do not get to play on that field.

And Easton, Wilson and Combat (or whoever sponsors them this week) do not make the hair on anyones neck stand up.