2020, anyone?

wadeintothem · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 09:57am

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Originally Posted by azbigdawg

Tough decision.

But maybe ASA will pull its head out now and pay attention to the slow pitch game after ignoring it for years.....

Oh please, that is bs.

That is the same BS the FP is stating.

And Gold FP, has BIG problem.

ASA has now lost just about every good gold team out there, including the defending champs. None will be playing ASA championship play next year. They will not be playing and the list grows. The defending champs with the best pitcher Gold has seen probably since abbott, finch, or osterman will not be in OKC next year. Hows that feel to umps who work gold? The coach himself has posted and confirmed it.

18G OKC may well look like a 16 Eastern Nationals in skill level.

ASA may need to pull its head out about a lot of things... because the "elite league" the gold coaches have formed is not looking good for ASA IMO.

The olympics are lost.

Mens FP has been lost awhile.

I dont know the answer, but I hope its found, because ASA is losing a lot of its strengths.
If the answer is "slow pitch".. well I may need to go elsewhere. Because I dont enjoy the smell of stale beer and rotten hot dog.

Big Slick · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 10:11am

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem

The coach himself has posted and confirmed it.

Please post a link to this.

wadeintothem · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 10:21am

Gary Haning is leading the charge, but Phil Mumma has confirm Sorcerers will not be defending their title. The list of teams is actually pretty awesome. A big part of me thinks its doomed for failure long term, but OKC is not looking good for next year for sure.

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ronald · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 10:21am

Wade,

What is all this? Where are they going?

Why? Why are they down on 18G?

Context please. We just had umps come from National tourneys, not regional nats, and the number of teams were astronomical as they put it.

Thanks.

wadeintothem · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 10:32am

At first I thought it was a power play by whiney so cal folks whimpering about the heat, to force ASA to do something.. basically a goof. Then Phil pposted. Anyone who knows Phil knows hes a no BS type guy; I dont know that I've ever seen him make a joke ever... not to mention he is Nor Cal... so now I dunno.

Basically, they are IMO whinining about location of gold (because OKC apparently sucks), length of tourney (I agree 64 teams / 9 days is way too long), most of all - college players in gold (I didnt know this was a problem, a big complaint about Phil's teams before were he has so many college players)..

Anyway.. ASA and their USA program and the Gold Program as suffering big hits IMO. To sit around talking about slow pitch and sending commitees around asking what people want in slow pitch show either their priorities or off or they just aint paying attention -- or perhaps their Priority is on SP and exactly where they want it to be. If thats the case, they open the door for others.

luvthegame · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 01:36pm

If Walmart offers (to it's customer base) a perceived better product...a more convenient product...with more perceived value..and a lesser overall price... with better perceived customer service.....than Target does......I am shopping Walmart!!

We will have to wait and see if Target and Walmart can stay in business??

IRISHMAFIA · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by luvthegame

If Walmart offers (to it's customer base) a perceived better product...a more convenient product...with more perceived value..and a lesser overall price... with better perceived customer service.....than Target does......I am shopping Walmart!!

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

luvthegame · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

Obviously...the Gold Coaches feel differently than you do!!

They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else.
Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

Dakota · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

I think he was making an analogy...

Skahtboi · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Aug 18, 2009, 11:01am

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

Ain't that the truth?!

IRISHMAFIA · #11 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 03:46pm

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Originally Posted by ronald

Wade,

What is all this? Where are they going?

Why? Why are they down on 18G?

Context please. We just had umps come from National tourneys, not regional nats, and the number of teams were astronomical as they put it.

Thanks.

The SoCal self-declared Gods of softball are pissed that ASA will not exclude eligible players who are in college from participating in ASA softball.

And why, do you ask? Because of the idiots', and yes, I said idiots', perception that this individual is taking up another player's chance to get a scholarship.

So, these people have decided they are going to have a Premier National that will include the "best teams in softball" that will exclude any player that cannot produce a valid HS ID or proof of being still home-schooled.

IOW, another ****ing showcase tournament as if there are not enough of them already. The idiots cannot get it through their thick, smog-shrouded heads that part of ASA's mission as the NGB is to provide the path to and crown a national champion. God forbid teams actually play to win as a team and not for the personal advancement of the individual. But, then again, we are probably talking about the same people who believe EVERY participant should get some sort of award just for participating so no one's fellings get hurt.

wadeintothem · #12 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 04:08pm

Ive never been a part of the voting process, but I am interested in their complaints. They argue that they have been making these demands for years, but essentially the slow pitch guys /people not involved in FP essentially shut them down with their voting block.

Can that be true?

Have the desires of the people playing this game been ignored?

Its their game... who is a slow pitch person (not you Mike, just in general) to tell them them college players are accepted in JO play when they dont want them there?

I'm sure ASA wants to use their nice stadium, but that is some pretty crappy conditions they are explaining.

And who the hell can't think up a better way to run a 64 team double elim w/ 2 pooll plays in less than 9 days?

Or is this just new whining they are making up off the cuff. We are talking real money and issues and if these are their gripes, as heads of gold teams, should they have some standing in the process?

Be sure, I'm not arguing for or against - but just a few years ago we sent people around to ask beer league dudes how they wanted their game.

Is FP not worth the same courtesy?

There is a lot of anger at ASA right now, and it shouldnt be that way. We all care a great deal for this sport and IMO, there are some losses being taken and some mitigation needs to take place.

AtlUmpSteve · #13 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 04:23pm

Their perception is out of whack with the truth on their primary complaint. The issue of college players playing in A and Gold has never made it out of the JO Committee with a recommendation to approve; that committee is made up exclusively of those charged with running the JO fastpitch program. They just don't get that the 18 Gold National isn't simply a recruiting venue; anyone age eligible is eligible!!

The issue of OKC's climate is true; it is also true of more than 80% of the USA the first week in August. The issue of the length of tournament is true; and will remain true until more fields are built. You simply can't run a double elim plus two pool games tournament efficiently on 4 fields, even when you use outside fields for pool games. It takes 8 fields to do it efficiently, and the HOF Complex only has 4.

Every year, the JO Committee charges the ASA National Office Reps with finding out what the teams want; every year they tell them. That doesn't mean what they want is what is best for the game, or what is best for ASA. Their own JO people understand that ASA isn't running an exclusionary National Championship. Or should there be no high school players at the 14A, if they are in high school, they must play 16A or up?

wadeintothem · #14 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 04:33pm

Thanks for the clarification, Steve, I kinda thought that something like that went on. The whole thing rang of whiney so cal coach sniveling, which everyone knows can be quite boistrous. Its still concerning a little.

It will be interesting to watch this latest So Cal drama unfold. I'm sure the meeting will have a different flavor and tone this year lol!

Maybe they need to move the tourney until they have the correct facilities.