2020, anyone?

luvthegame · #1 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 01:36pm

If Walmart offers (to it's customer base) a perceived better product...a more convenient product...with more perceived value..and a lesser overall price... with better perceived customer service.....than Target does......I am shopping Walmart!!

We will have to wait and see if Target and Walmart can stay in business??

IRISHMAFIA · #2 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by luvthegame

If Walmart offers (to it's customer base) a perceived better product...a more convenient product...with more perceived value..and a lesser overall price... with better perceived customer service.....than Target does......I am shopping Walmart!!

Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

luvthegame · #3 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 04:29pm

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Go ahead. I wouldn't walk across the street to spit on a Walmart regardless of the price. Oh, and BTW, they don't give a **** about you or anyone else.

Obviously...the Gold Coaches feel differently than you do!!

They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else.
Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

IRISHMAFIA · #4 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 05:23pm

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Originally Posted by luvthegame

Obviously...the Gold Coaches feel differently than you do!!

They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else.
Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

I understand they have an agenda. It IS exploited and nearly mythical at times. There are not enough scholarships available to accommodate all the promises or claims made.

My point is that ASA is not a clearing house for college recruits. However, they go out of their way to accommodate the teams, players and coaches in providing schedules, exclusive access to some data and constant flow of up to the game status.

But in the long run, their mission is to promote and advance the sport of softball for all, not just those vying for a scholarship.

luvthegame · #5 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 07:39pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

I understand they have an agenda. It IS exploited and nearly mythical at times. There are not enough scholarships available to accommodate all the promises or claims made.

My point is that ASA is not a clearing house for college recruits. However, they go out of their way to accommodate the teams, players and coaches in providing schedules, exclusive access to some data and constant flow of up to the game status.

But in the long run, their mission is to promote and advance the sport of softball for all, not just those vying for a scholarship.

I agree with you....and so do the Gold coaches!

NCASAUmp · #6 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 07:53pm

So uhh... How 'bout them Olympics?

wadeintothem · #7 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 08:02pm

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So uhh... How 'bout them Olympics?

The olympics are lame.

wadeintothem · #8 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 08:16pm

You know, it might not be so bad to have so cal have their own "I dont wanna travel or go in the heat wah wah" league.

Sure will be a lot less sniveling at nats.

luvthegame · #9 (**permalink**) Thu Aug 13, 2009, 09:53pm

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You know, it might not be so bad to have so cal have their own "I dont wanna travel or go in the heat wah wah" league.

Sure will be a lot less sniveling at nats.

I don't think Phil or any of the other Nor Cal Gold coaches committed to this tournament (or the others throughout the nation for that matter) would appreciate you lumping them in that catagory?

Andy · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 10:06am

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You know, it might not be so bad to have so cal have their own "I dont wanna travel or go in the heat wah wah" league.

Sure will be a lot less sniveling at nats.

Here's an idea for JO Nats to reduce sniveling:

Send the teams to one location to play, but tell all the parents that they are playing on the other side of the country!

IRISHMAFIA · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 07:30am

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Originally Posted by luvthegame

They are a different breed...their "business" is getting kids recruited...(and the college coaches "business" is recruiting the best recruitable players...not watching the "supposed best teams" play for a National Championship) regardless of whether you or I or anyone else agree with their philosophy...it is the monster it is!!

Yet, most of the coaches I talk to WANT to see the kids playing in a highly competitive atmosphere where everything is on the line, not just going through the motions to demonstrate their talent.

These coaches see and hear enough from the friendlies and showcases and are inundated with CD's and resumes long before nationals come around. When these coaches come to ASA nationals, mant (if not most) know who they going to be watching before they even get to town. If a coach happens to notice another player, that is just icing on the cake, but most of the better players are already in contention or have been contacted.

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Oh, and BTW, I don't expect anyone to give a **** about me or anyone else. Some do...some don't for various reasons... that's OK!!

And that is the attitude that keeps Walmart in business. This type of company is target (you, not the store) oriented. They prey on lower income communities with lower-quality merchandise.

You are the consumer, you should expect a business to care.

wadeintothem · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Aug 14, 2009, 08:30am

The recruiting thing is BS. 95 % of their players are verballed, signed, or in college by nats. If you watched on the internet feed it listed their college. I think I saw one player who didnt have a college listed.

You dig deep into just about any thing and the answer is money.

I would bet it is OKC's horrible facilities fed by the expense of those horrible conditions and the length of being at those facilities that is fueling this big time. Many have to take nearly two weeks off work to go sit around bored in OKC. This is a thing thats bugging them.

Secondary is the college players. A few have been wanting them apparently removed. This may be the case, as is so often true in this country, of the few outshouting the many, and maybe ASA will act on that, I dont know.

Recruiting at nats.. mostly nonfactor in reality.

Dholloway1962 · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 10:58am

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I would bet it is OKC's horrible facilities fed by the expense of those horrible conditions and the length of being at those facilities that is fueling this big time. Many have to take nearly two weeks off work to go sit around bored in OKC.

OK, what is so horrible about the facilities in OKC? Also there is tons of things to keep you busy in OKC, the Bricktown area with the Memorial is a two-three day venture to take it all in. Where do you get this information about the horrible facilities and nothing to do? Have you ever been to OKC?

Just curious.

Dakota · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 12:07pm

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...the Bricktown area with the Memorial is a two-three day venture to take it all in....

Which, by reports, would get you about 1/3 of the way through pool play!

Now what?

wadeintothem · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Aug 17, 2009, 02:31pm

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OK, what is so horrible about the facilities in OKC? Also there is tons of things to keep you busy in OKC, the Bricktown area with the Memorial is a two-three day venture to take it all in. Where do you get this information about the horrible facilities and nothing to do? Have you ever been to OKC?

Just curious.

Actually, I have been to OKC quite a bit - but not for softball. 10 years ago I used to travel there to work on occasions. It was fairly boring. The Toby Keith bar and grill with the big guitar on the roof was cool.. however, My response was fed by the coaches and other umpires statement about the conditions and lack of facilities in OKC.

Obviously, at this point and time inadequate to host a big tourney.

If its so great, why is the top 20 +/- gold teams, including returning champs, in LA next year?

I would bet it is MOSTLY the expense and conditions of OKC. They'll go be happy with nice weather, great facilities in L.A. while the 18B's are in OKC.

The rest of the stuff just irratates them (like ACE) - but the money and conditions of OKC are obviously not what these coaches are looking for.

Hopefully this is a one year deal though and the ASA Voting bodies wake up on this issue and take action.