Had to forfeit my 1st game

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Tru_in_Blu

One other thing I'm thinking about - if this was the "if necessary" game, wouldn't that mean "championship game"? And aren't championship games played to completion, i.e. no time restriction?

That depends on the tournament. Also, that doesn't mean you ignore any rules because of the time limit.

He didn't say the game was over because it timed out, but because of a forfeit which could have been effected by 5.4.B, C, D or E.

Don't know if I would have been so quick to pull that trigger, but the umpire is certainly within the rules to forfeit the game.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

....Don't know if I would have been so quick to pull that trigger, ...

I don't know that I would have, either, but in the calm analysis of a web board, I think it was the right thing to do. OC has already obviously attempted to delay (extend) the game, and, since his stragedy was stupid he has instead allowed the clock to expire. Under these conditions, declaring the forfeit prevents him from going back to legitimate softball to try for a 2 out rally; seems like a good call.

[wadeintothem]

I dunno dakota.

Lets really do a calm analysis. All the coaches strat has done is used up the 2 minutes, so we can start off thankful. When we get done talking to a coach, we dont have to worry about giong that extra inning anyway.

2nd, just go up to him, say "coach, ASA rules state that intentionally delaying or hastening the game will result in a forfeit. I'm afraid I'm going to have to forfeit the game if you dont get me my batter."

The batter would have come up and thats it. No coach would have taken the forfeit here nor should we ever look to forfeit a game, its a last resort. And there should be a warning that its going to happen. If _______________ is not complied with.

The game is not about the umpire reading a rule then waiting to finally get to enforce it, nor is it about some idiot coach who obviously did not know this rule - its about girls playing softball. So let them play ball.

IMO, UNLESS the coach knew the forfeit was coming, this was too quick on the trigger.

[vcblue]

I had this once. I walked up to the OC and told him if he knew I could forfeit a game if in my judgment I thought he was deliberately trying to hasten or delay the game. I told him to get his batter back out there. She came up to finish her time at bat, and I called the game. I only had about two and a half minutes left. The time it took me to explain the rule and the coach to put his batter back at the plate killed the clock.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I dunno dakota.

Lets really do a calm analysis. All the coaches strat has done is used up the 2 minutes, so we can start off thankful. When we get done talking to a coach, we dont have to worry about giong that extra inning anyway.

2nd, just go up to him, say "coach, ASA rules state that intentionally delaying or hastening the game will result in a forfeit. I'm afraid I'm going to have to forfeit the game if you dont get me my batter."

The batter would have come up and thats it. No coach would have taken the forfeit here nor should we ever look to forfeit a game, its a last resort. And there should be a warning that its going to happen. If _______________ is not complied with.

The game is not about the umpire reading a rule then waiting to finally get to enforce it, nor is it about some idiot coach who obviously did not know this rule - its about girls playing softball. So let them play ball.

IMO, UNLESS the coach knew the forfeit was coming, this was too quick on the trigger.

I agree with your principle here, and I've used that "warning" (even though none is actually required) to put a stop to shenanigans before... it is amazingly effective. However, it this case, the OC was being a 1st class a$$.

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

...HT coach starts clapping and says that's 3 outs girls take the field.

I am standing at plate doing nothing and say I need a batter at the plate. HT coach says that 3 outs she entered the dugout, I say no, I need a batter now. HT coach sends his players onto the field as I call "strike 2". He then proceeds to tell me I don't know what I'm doing and the rule says she is out. This continues, until my timer goes off, which means 2 minutes had passed.

I called "ball game" forfeit. ...I told him he forfeited game by not having batter up in 2 minutes after being warned and for delaying or hastening the game....

Two minutes arguing with the umpire? Sending his team out on "defense" even AFTER being instructed by the umpire to send out a batter? Talking about showing up the umpire! Telling the umpire he doesn't know what he's doing?

I might have ejected, though, and see if the assistant coach would send out a batter...