identifying runners

[rwest]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

How is it that I knew my buddy from GA would jump on this one?

Because you know me so well?

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

With the softball method, you can continue with subsequent plays without changing the designation. If in the above scenario, the appeal was denied. You now have R4 and R5 on 3B & 2B with B6 in the box, 2 outs and one run scored.

With the other, it would be R3(nee R1) and R2(nee B3) on 3B & 2B with B3 batting. Wait a minute, didn't B3 just bat and is now standing on 2B?

True as far as continuing with subsequent plays. But that is so rarely done. I can't even think of a thread where this method was used, except in your above example! Most of our posts and most of the case plays are individual plays. I can't even think of a series of case plays that this method was used.

[steveshane67]

Runners at the corners, two outs. On a double by B5, R4 misses 2B as R3 scores. Does the run count if the missed base is appealed properly?

Where are you getting this example from? there are only 3 bases, so in the "easier" method, you could only have R1, R2, or R3, never R4 or R5 or R6....

The "logical" reason for the softball method is order we all learned as children, 1, then 2, then 3..... same order in which the runners advance around the bases.

I understand how softball labels its runners, to me, and apparently to other people, its superfluous to have a label on a runner, then have to qualify where that runner is. You dont think its overly complex to say R1 is on second base when you can just say R2?

In the other, R3 comes before R1 and you have B3 hitting a double with R3 scoring. Huh?

Maybe this is why you like the softball version, bc you cant comprehend that R3 means hes on third, which means hes ahead of R1, whos on first.

Its almost like having to say any rectangle with 4 sides of equal length, when you can just say any square.

With the softball method, you can continue with subsequent plays without changing the designation. If in the above scenario, the appeal was denied. You now have R4 and R5 on 3B & 2B with B6 in the box, 2 outs and one run scored.

With the other, it would be R3(nee R1) and R2(nee B3) on 3B & 2B with B3 batting. Wait a minute, didn't B3 just bat and is now standing on 2B?

maybe thats the answer to my question???? but ive never seen a description of a play with anything other than R1 R2 R3 used, ie ive never seen a sit with R4 or R5 or R6... used

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by rwest

Version 1

R1 on third; R2 on first; 2 outs. B3 hits a double between center and left field. R2 misses 2nd on the way to 3rd base. R1 scores. Does the run score if the defense properly appeals.

Version 2

Runners at first and third and 2 outs. B3 hits a double between center and left field. R1 misses 2nd on the way to 3rd base. R3 scores. Does the run score if the defense properly appeals.


Now, is version 1 really so much easier? I don't believe so. I understand both versions. It's not as some have suggested that we can't understand it. Just because someone criticizes the current system doesn't mean we can't use it and don't understand it. There's no logically reason for version 1. Mike, you say that in softball we have to designate them just one time, implying that version 2 requires us to change their designation. This is not true. In a given case play we don't have to change their designation as the play goes on. It is much more logical to have R1 mean the runner on 1st.

I dont know who you are but I can tell you are a wise poerson

[steveshane67]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

It is relatively simple. A player is listed as they enter the scenario. Your antiquated "baseball based" format, a player is locked into a label for a single action after which the label is changed. In the softball format, a runner needs to be labeled only once.

For convenience, all players of the team in the field are given a number in accordance to their fielding position. All
fielders are referred to as

F with their proper position number:

F1

pitcher

F2

catcher

F3

first baseman

F4

second baseman

F5

third baseman

F6

shortstop

F7

left fielder

F8

center fielder

F9

right fielder

F10

extra fielder

A runner is referred to as

R. If there is more than one runner on base:

R1

is the one farthest in advance

R2

the one next farthest in advance

R3

is the third runner to be on base
Each batter is referred to as B and if there are two runners on base and one out, the batter is B4.

The bases are referred to as:

1B

first base

2B

second base

3B

third base
The outfield is referred to as:

RF

right field

CF

center field

LF left field

Are you just f'in with me bc i said more than once that you were condescending??? I hope you dont talk to people like that in real life, or if you do, I hope you know how to handle yourself [physically]

Why the need to mention anything about position players of bases??

You are correct, the runners only need to be labeled once, but they have to be qualified every time. You have to specify which base each runner is on in the "softball format" which is what this whole thread was supposed to be about. Why is the system set up that way and not setup with R2 always means runner on 2nd.... Before I started the thread I tried to think of a logical explanation, but couldnt think of one, hence a thread was created to find an answer.

Let me put this another way, you dont call the home plate ump, U1 who is behind home plate, you call him PU. The P tells you everything you need to know about the umps position and needs no further clarification, why does the same theory not apply to runners?