Obstruction??

[clev1967]

3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?

[argodad]

Originally Posted by clev1967

3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?

I thought it was obstruction when I saw it live. When Kruk mentioned it and they showed it in slow motion, it confirmed it for me. In that situation, i would have awarded the runner home. The OC stopped her because she was slowed down getting to 3B. Even then, he stopped her after a big turn.

[wadeintothem]

Personally, I thought it was a good noncall - but there was ..... a mild impeding ..

And there is no way in hell I would have awarded home on that.

[Umpteenth]

When you see OBS, how do you call it (ASA Perspective)? Do you signal Delayed Dead Ball, then verbally call the OBS and grant the award?

Would you do the same with and INT call, or would that be more immediate?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

When you see OBS, how do you call it (ASA Perspective)? Do you signal Delayed Dead Ball, then verbally call the OBS and grant the award?

Close. Signal the DDB, verbally call the OBS, grant the award when the play is over (if the runner hasn't already reached or passed the awarded base).

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Would you do the same with and INT call, or would that be more immediate?

INT is an immediate "Dead ball!" followed by an out (or two, depending on the INT call).

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

When you see OBS, how do you call it (ASA Perspective)? Do you signal Delayed Dead Ball, then verbally call the OBS and grant the award?

Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.

I'll admit that out of the thousands of OBS calls I've made, I've not once verbalized "obstruction." I only mentioned it because, well, that's what's taught at the clinics.

[argodad]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.

I verbalize when F3 obstructs a runner rounding first on a single to the outfield. I want the player to know that their action wasn't legal ... even though I'm not awarding the runner second base.

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.

I never verbalize OBS at the rec levels of slow pitch. That only stops the world from turning. At the higher levels, I'll verbalize it just enough for the runner and the infielders near to me to hear it, so when the play concludes and I'm awarding (if so), then there were "witnesses" who heard me have an OBS during the play.

[txtrooper]

When I see OBS, I state OBS in a normal tone and give the visual DDB signal to let the runner know that I have observed the violation. The award is made after the play, if necessary. When I see INT, I give an immediate strong verbal dead ball call and provide the visual dead ball signal as well.

[3SPORT]

Originally Posted by clev1967

3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?

Interesting about whether to give her home. Especially at that level, a half step could of possibly gotten her home. We will never know how close the play would have been to come up with a conclusion.

I am surprised the Florida coach didn't have a conversation about that play. My only guess is that he didn't see it.

[MakeDacall]

Originally Posted by clev1967

3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?

The problem is most umpires are not calling it correctly. There is so much variance by crew that you can not even prepare for such things. Slow mo on TV is not an option when making the call.

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by MakeDacall

The problem is most umpires are not calling it correctly. There is so much variance by crew that you can not even prepare for such things.

All crews, or just the ones you see?

I'd say most ASA and NFHS umpires have a good idea of what obstruction is.

[charliej47]

I have always verbalized and pointed. I did a game last Saturday and my partner who came out from behind the plate and he heard me say it. I said he thought I was too picky on my call. I informed him by what judgement I went by and he agreed with me.