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clev1967 Tue Jun 02, 2009 08:42pm

Obstruction??
 
3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?

argodad Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:35pm

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Originally Posted by clev1967 (Post 606330)
3rd inning of tonight's game on play where Florida runner had to be held up. SS made her alter her path to third? If you saw it do you think it was obstruction? I did. Close but she for sure altered her path to third.

Also, if it is called in that situation and she is thrown out at home and it is somewhat close do you give her home?

I thought it was obstruction when I saw it live. When Kruk mentioned it and they showed it in slow motion, it confirmed it for me. In that situation, i would have awarded the runner home. The OC stopped her because she was slowed down getting to 3B. Even then, he stopped her after a big turn.

wadeintothem Wed Jun 03, 2009 12:44pm

Personally, I thought it was a good noncall - but there was ..... a mild impeding .. :D

And there is no way in hell I would have awarded home on that.

Umpteenth Wed Jun 03, 2009 01:59pm

When you see OBS, how do you call it (ASA Perspective)? Do you signal Delayed Dead Ball, then verbally call the OBS and grant the award?

Would you do the same with and INT call, or would that be more immediate?

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 02:21pm

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Originally Posted by Umpteenth (Post 606510)
When you see OBS, how do you call it (ASA Perspective)? Do you signal Delayed Dead Ball, then verbally call the OBS and grant the award?

Close. Signal the DDB, verbally call the OBS, grant the award when the play is over (if the runner hasn't already reached or passed the awarded base).

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Originally Posted by Umpteenth (Post 606510)
Would you do the same with and INT call, or would that be more immediate?

INT is an immediate "Dead ball!" followed by an out (or two, depending on the INT call).

IRISHMAFIA Wed Jun 03, 2009 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by Umpteenth (Post 606510)
When you see OBS, how do you call it (ASA Perspective)? Do you signal Delayed Dead Ball, then verbally call the OBS and grant the award?

Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 02:58pm

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Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA (Post 606518)
Dave is correct, but I hate the verbalization. I have observed and personally experienced players stop playing when they hear the umpire say something IF you are going to verbalize, don't scream.

I'll admit that out of the thousands of OBS calls I've made, I've not once verbalized "obstruction." I only mentioned it because, well, that's what's taught at the clinics.

wadeintothem Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:00pm

pretty much no one does.. we all know were supposed to though :cool:

Throw the arm.. they know what that means.

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:04pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 606523)
pretty much no one does.. we all know were supposed to though :cool:

Throw the arm.. they know what that means.

I've never heard ANY of my partners verbalize it either, regardless of whether they're newbies or veterans. I don't understand why ASA wants us to verbalize it, since any verbalization other than "safe" tends to stop the runners. We don't yell "fair ball," so why yell something else that could potentially stop play prematurely?

Can someone call Kevin, send him $50 and get him to take it out of the Umpire's Manual? I'll gladly chip in a few bucks! :D

wadeintothem Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:26pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 606524)
I've never heard ANY of my partners verbalize it either, regardless of whether they're newbies or veterans. I don't understand why ASA wants us to verbalize it, since any verbalization other than "safe" tends to stop the runners. We don't yell "fair ball," so why yell something else that could potentially stop play prematurely?

Can someone call Kevin, send him $50 and get him to take it out of the Umpire's Manual? I'll gladly chip in a few bucks! :D


If I pay for it, I want the yellow flag added to the rules for DDB :cool:

NCASAUmp Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:28pm

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Originally Posted by wadeintothem (Post 606533)
If I pay for it, I want the yellow flag added to the rules for DDB :cool:

I thought it was a red flag...

Can anyone tell me who uses those?

Welpe Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:29pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 606524)

Can someone call Kevin, send him $50 and get him to take it out of the Umpire's Manual? I'll gladly chip in a few bucks! :D

It must be OBR little ball influence creeping in. Oh the humanity. :D

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I thought it was a red flag...

Can anyone tell me who uses those?
Little League baseball (maybe softball too, though not sure) to indicate a runner left too soon. The umpire drops the flag and lets the play finish. I think killing the ball and calling a runner out for leaving early is a lot easier to deal with but that's Little League for you.

ronald Wed Jun 03, 2009 03:49pm

Gosh, sounds like I have been doing it wrong then. I say obstruction but I don't know if anyone has ever heard it.

wadeintothem Wed Jun 03, 2009 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by NCASAUmp (Post 606535)
I thought it was a red flag...

Can anyone tell me who uses those?

Its my money, I want a yellow one. :cool:

wadeintothem Wed Jun 03, 2009 04:05pm

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Originally Posted by ronald (Post 606543)
Gosh, sounds like I have been doing it wrong then. I say obstruction but I don't know if anyone has ever heard it.

If you say obstruction and no one hears you.. did you really say it?


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