R3 blocks thrown ball from F2-F5

[Canary]

Scenario:


2009 ASA
Runner on third attempts lead off after the pitch. The catcher sees an extended lead off and attempts a pick off. However, the 3R meandered back to third and made no effort to avoid the line play. The catcher made an attempt to throw the ball to F5. When the 3R saw F5's glove go up in front of her, and 3R's coach told her to look out, only then was she concerned about getting out of the way. The struck her on the helmet.

Was the runner out for interference of thrown ball?

RULE 1 - THE DEFINITIONS
INTERFERENCE: The act of an offensive player or team member, umpire or spectator
that impedes, hinders, or confuses a defensive player attempting to execute a
play. Contact is not necessary.

Section 6. A RUNNER MUST RETURN TO THEIR BASE.
C. When a batter, batter-runner or runner is called out for interference. All
other runners shall return to the last base touched at the time of the interference.

RULE 8 - BATTER-RUNNER AND RUNNER
Section 7. THE RUNNER IS OUT.
J. When a runner interferes:
1. With a fielder attempting to field a batted fair ball or a foul fly ball, or
2. With a fielder attempting to throw the ball, or
3. With a thrown ball.
EFFECT: If this interference, in the umpire’s judgment is an attempt to prevent a double play and occurs before the runner is put out, the immediate trailing runner shall also be called out.
4. Intentionally with any defensive player having the opportunity to make an out with the deflected batted ball.
EFFECT: The ball is dead and the runner is out. All other runners must return to the last base touched at the time of the interference

Because of the potential interference called against a runner, you'll notice many runners on third base, including most of our players, will actually stand in the third-base foul territory with one foot touching the edge of the bag. A runner attempting to still home, and attempts to retreat back to third, cannot allow themselves to act as a block (intentionally or not) to the attempted pick off on third. We must be smart runners and not allow ourselves to become blocks to a play.

The situation during last Monday's game: A third base runner jumped out for a lead, and stayed on the base line (which anyone would normally do out of habit). The catcher saw enough of a lead and attempted to pick off the runner. However, the runner was directly in the line of play and unconsciously allowed herself to become a block to a thrown ball. (RULE 1-definitions, Interference). The runners position interfered with a thrown ball, and she was hit with the throw. (RULE 8, Section 7J, bullet 3). This was not an attempt for a double play therefore no other runner would be called out. On this occasion the third base runner is out, and all runners must go back to the base they occupied at the time of the interference.

[Dakota]

This is softball, not dodgeball.

[NCASAUmp]

First question, and let's all be honest here... Are you a coach? A player?

[wadeintothem]

I got nothing on this play.

This in not int. The runner is not obligated to move.

its OOO to try to sell anything on this play.

Let the catcher learn how to do a pick.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I got nothing on this play.

This in not int. The runner is not obligated to move.

its OOO to try to sell anything on this play.

Let the catcher learn how to do a pick.

^What he said.^ Though somehow, I doubt we have heard the last of this.

[NCASAUmp]

The bottom line here is: did the runner do everything they were supposed to? Yes? We've got no out call on this one.

[vcblue]

Wow...this is a beginning of the season 10U rec ball question.

Why do you think runners are taught to leave 3rd towards home in foul territory and return in fair territory.

I will help you: Because it's legal!

BTW your post title s/b:F2 commits an error when trying to pick off R3 return to 3rd.

[CecilOne]

Inteference with a thrown ball has to be intentional.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Inteference with a thrown ball has to be intentional.

No, that is not true. Fought like hell to keep it so, but lost.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

^What he said.^ Though somehow, I doubt we have heard the last of this.

Youre probably right; someone will always want to call something on everything

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Canary

Scenario:


2009 ASA
Runner on third attempts lead off after the pitch. The catcher sees an extended lead off and attempts a pick off. However, the 3R meandered back to third and made no effort to avoid the line play. The catcher made an attempt to throw the ball to F5. When the 3R saw F5's glove go up in front of her, and 3R's coach told her to look out, only then was she concerned about getting out of the way. The struck her on the helmet.

Was the runner out for interference of thrown ball?

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No

[Canary]

Actually I was the AC for the runner.

Although intentional was not flagrant or flamboyant, she knew the catcher was picking them off on third like flies on dung. I felt she knew it was coming. They didn't call her out. But I felt she deserved to be called out. Especially since when she made no effort to get back to the base or to avoid the thrown ball. It probably is going to be a judgment call. Intentional or not, at what point do we relieve the runner of the responsibility to avoid interference?

If they make no effort to avoid a wild pitch, and get hit..no base awarded. If they hang over the strike zone and get hit they get a strike called, if they hit a batted ball before a fielder can attempt to filed it they are out.

[Dakota]

As I already said, this is softball, not dodgeball. The defense does not get a runner out by hitting them with a thrown ball.

[Paul L]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, that {Inteference with a thrown ball has to be intentional.} is not true. Fought like hell to keep it so, but lost.

Other than a (first base three foot) running lane violation, can you give an example and a rule cite?
BTW, I'd guess Canary is the F2 in question.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Canary

Actually I was the AC for the runner.

Although intentional was not flagrant or flamboyant, she knew the catcher was picking them off on third like flies on dung. I felt she knew it was coming. They didn't call her out. But I felt she deserved to be called out. Especially since when she made no effort to get back to the base or to avoid the thrown ball. It probably is going to be a judgment call. Intentional or not, at what point do we relieve the runner of the responsibility to avoid interference?

If they make no effort to avoid a wild pitch, and get hit..no base awarded. If they hang over the strike zone and get hit they get a strike called, if they hit a batted ball before a fielder can attempt to filed it they are out.

Until that runner grows eyes on the back of her head to know where the ball is at, no umpire in their right mind is going to call her out. The runner had every right to run where she was running, and she made no obvious effort to interfere with the throw.

Coach, you're not going to get this call.