Arizona/Stanford game last night.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by Jerry Blum

Anyone watch the game see the play in I think the bottom of the 4th. Stanford had runners on 1st and 2nd and I think there was 0 outs. Ground ball hit to F3 batter-runner instead of running into tag stops then takes 2 small steps backward and is then tagged out. Batter is out and runners that advanced to 2nd and 3rd returned to original bases.

Is this an NCAA rule or is it an ASA rule? I had never heard of this before.

That was my friend Kevin Davis and he nailed it!

12.4 Batter-Runner Is Out
The batter-runner is out:
12.4.11 When she steps back toward home plate to avoid or delay a tag by a
fielder.
EFFECT—The ball is dead. Each runner must return to the last base
legally touched at the time of the pitch.

[NCASAUmp]

So how many of us have ever called this rule? I've yet to do so.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

So how many of us have ever called this rule? I've yet to do so.

Once, a long time ago in a Men's SP league and was he loaded! Didn't even know I had called him out.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

So how many of us have ever called this rule? I've yet to do so.

A couple of times at lower levels. I'm really suprised that it happended at such a high level. Thats a rec league move.

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Thats a rec league move.

The talking heads thought she didn't know the rule. I was of the belief that she just reacted without thinking.

Didn't hurt the team in the end, but it wasn't the best time to pull a Chris Webber.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

The talking heads thought she didn't know the rule. I was of the belief that she just reacted without thinking.

Didn't hurt the team in the end, but it wasn't the best time to pull a Chris Webber.

I have no idea what pulling a Chris Webber is...

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I have no idea what pulling a Chris Webber is...

ask.com / wiki challenged?

On April 5, 1993, at Michigan's second consecutive NCAA Men's Division I Basketball Championship game, Webber infamously called a time-out with 11 seconds left in the game when his team, down 73-71, did not have any remaining, resulting in a technical foul that effectively clinched the game for North Carolina.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

ask.com / wiki challenged?

"Pulling a chris webber" did not bring that up on google

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

So how many of us have ever called this rule? I've yet to do so.

I have, more than a few times. But, as wade noted, rarely at the higher levels!

[vcblue]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

I have, more than a few times. But, as wade noted, rarely at the higher levels!

It is what to UCLA out of the WS 5 or 6 years ago

[argodad]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

So how many of us have ever called this rule? I've yet to do so.

Yes, in an ASA 16U qualifier. And I let R1 from 2B stay on 3rd, as she reached it before the step back. I sent R2 back to 1st (she was slow). OC questioned, but was fairly easily convinced.

BTW, the rule IS different in NCAA. College runners return to the bases occupied at TOP.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by argodad

Yes, in an ASA 16U qualifier. And I let R1 from 2B stay on 3rd, as she reached it before the step back. I sent R2 back to 1st (she was slow). OC questioned, but was fairly easily convinced.

BTW, the rule IS different in NCAA. College runners return to the bases occupied at TOP.

ASA needs to change it to TOP, by allowing base at time she stepped back they still allow a benefit to it. Personally, I will always send them back to TOP. Yes a rule I will not enforce properly in ASA, shame on me.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

ASA needs to change it to TOP, by allowing base at time she stepped back they still allow a benefit to it. Personally, I will always send them back to TOP. Yes a rule I will not enforce properly in ASA, shame on me.

Why should ASA change it, because you disagree?

How about the NCAA changing it to where it has been for at least the past 73 years when the ball is put into play, at the time of the INT.

[Dholloway1962]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Why should ASA change it

Because I disagree is the best reason I can think of But another reason is that if you don't send them back to TOP there is really no realpenalty attached to it (other than BR being out, which she will be anyway).

Didn't mean to get you all riled up Irish!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dholloway1962

Because I disagree is the best reason I can think of But another reason is that if you don't send them back to TOP there is really no realpenalty attached to it (other than BR being out, which she will be anyway).

Didn't mean to get you all riled up Irish!

The penalty is an automatic out attained by the defense without actually executing a tag.

Just because the defense fields the batted ball doesn't mean the BR is automatically out. Why should the runners NOT be allowed to advance while the defense is attempting to execute the play?

This is a rule which exists merely for the purpose of protecting defense players from their own stupidity. The delay is a voluntary action by the defense just like a 2B chasing a runner forced to 2B back to 1B instead of just flipping the ball to F6. The only reason the BR is out and the runner isn't for this action is because s/he has no base to achieve safely at home plate.

So, why should the team not making the stupid moves be overly penalized for the opponent's ineptness?