Rookie Question

[hawk65]

The OP states, "After my partner called time and the ball is dead, D3 says to me, Blue did he leave early? I banged R1 for 3rd out, as he did leave early." D3 implies the first baseman made appeal. For which runner? There is no mention that the defense touched the bag or the runner. Did D3 touch 1st, 2nd or any bag? Did D3 have the ball?

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by Dakota

As the new guy, he should probably go with the local mechanic (at least for now).

I agree, but since it's a deviation, I'd pregame it. I wouldn't say, "well, lookie here, Mr. Veteran Ump, ASA says we should..." However, I would simply ask, "so, how do you want to do tag-ups?"

Originally Posted by Dakota

ASA is excessively wordy:
Plate Umpire has tag up responsibility for
1) Runner at 3B
2) Lead runner with multiple runners on

Base Umpire has tag up responsibility for
1) All others

What's so hard about that? That was even shorter than my explanation!

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by hawk65

The OP states, "After my partner called time and the ball is dead, D3 says to me, Blue did he leave early? I banged R1 for 3rd out, as he did leave early." D3 implies the first baseman made appeal. For which runner? There is no mention that the defense touched the bag or the runner. Did D3 touch 1st, 2nd or any bag? Did D3 have the ball?

New to softball?

As noted, this was a dead ball situation, so there is no need to have the ball or to touch a base or tag the player, just ask for the appeal.

And as subsequently posted, the infielder did indicate which runner was being appealed.

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what a D3 is

[SethPDX]

Originally Posted by hawk65

There is no mention that the defense touched the bag or the runner. Did D3 touch 1st, 2nd or any bag? Did D3 have the ball?

None of that is required in ASA or NFHS. The appropriate rule was quoted in a post above. In LL SB and BB, the live-ball appeal is the only option. That's what you get for copying OBR (but that's getting off topic ).

As for the OP, you did fine. Welcome to the site.

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Of course, I'm still trying to figure out what a D3 is

Well, I was either referring to the defensive player in position 3 (aka 1st Baseman), or I typo'd (D is next to F). You make the call!

Yeah, it should have been F3 (but like my OP stated, I'm a rookie!)

[hawk65]

My bad... I didn't realize this difference in a live-ball or dead-ball appeal. Better to learn now by this mistake than look foolish on a field.....

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by hawk65

Better to learn now by this mistake than look foolish on a field.....

So true... So true...

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by hawk65

My bad... I didn't realize this difference in a live-ball or dead-ball appeal. Better to learn now by this mistake than look foolish on a field.....

Nah.. the best learning comes with screwing up on the field....

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Nah.. the best learning comes with screwing up on the field....

I have to agree. I'm glad it's only wreck league, but I try to approach each and every game as if it mattered a whole lot more. After all, it's my integrity on the line.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

I have to agree. I'm glad it's only wreck league, but I try to approach each and every game as if it mattered a whole lot more. After all, it's my integrity on the line.

Forget the level of ball - work on your game. They just happen to be there. I do some of my best fine tuning/tweeking of aspects of my game on lower level ball.

Every single game you work someone should be able to ask you "What are you working on?"

And you should have an immediate answer as to some aspect of your game you are consciously working on improving.

Thats my opinion anyway - I am ALWAYS working on improving something.

In fact, it is smoothness. Sometimes I over hustle and look a little less fine tuned. I was evaluated in JO ball last week by a NCAA evaluator, the same one who will be evaluating me in college ball next year, and that was my "ding".

Gotta figure out how to be coolbreeze like yall.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Forget the level of ball - work on your game. They just happen to be there. I do some of my best fine tuning/tweeking of aspects of my game on lower level ball.

Every single game you work someone should be able to ask you "What are you working on?"

And you should have an immediate answer as to some aspect of your game you are consciously working on improving.

Thats my opinion anyway - I am ALWAYS working on improving something.

In fact, it is smoothness. Sometimes I over hustle and look a little less fine tuned. I was evaluated in JO ball last week by a NCAA evaluator, the same one who will be evaluating me in college ball next year, and that was my "ding".

Gotta figure out how to be coolbreeze like yall.

That is pretty much how I approach my games.

I also got dinged at my National for overhustle...
So I've been working on my inner Cool Hand Luke.

[Umpteenth]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Forget the level of ball - work on your game. They just happen to be there. I do some of my best fine tuning/tweeking of aspects of my game on lower level ball.

It's the only level I'm working right now, but that reminded me of a sitch last week. We were working a Co-Ed SP game, I was PU. I made 2 calls that my partner later said he would not have made, because this was like "4th of July Family Reunion" games. I disagreed, because if I'm being paid to call by a set of rules (in this case ASA), then I will call by that set of rules. Again, it's my integrity at stake, and I won't sell that out to anyone.

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

Every single game you work someone should be able to ask you "What are you working on?" And you should have an immediate answer as to some aspect of your game you are consciously working on improving.

Thanks. This is probably the best bit of advice I've seen/heard so far. It's more for me to think about in preparation for a game, but will pay dividends throughout my career.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

That is pretty much how I approach my games.

I also got dinged at my National for overhustle...
So I've been working on my inner Cool Hand Luke.

Yes - we must find out inner cool Hand Luke

My bads:

On bases on a dead ball - batted ball off the foot - too quick making the DB call - wait and see if partner makes it. My parnter was reacting to the play so I knew wouldnt call it.. still... wait. I concede I'm to quick to make the DB call on that.

On a shallow bunt I move too much following the play too close.. instead of just essentially standing on the appropriate line extended and watching it. I think thats the old catcher in me...

I was good on my timing for pitches and calls, stances, slot, game managment, etc etc though and got an overall "excellent" - I'll take that anyday!

Hey I'd like to see if I can find a way to put a word for you to come work the 18G NQ 6-26-28 if you are interested. A few of them you guys sent last year..... I can definately put your name in to our assigner. Not sure how all that works though- Send me a pm... maybe we'll working on our inner cool hand luke getting ready for that!

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Umpteenth

Thanks. This is probably the best bit of advice I've seen/heard so far. It's more for me to think about in preparation for a game, but will pay dividends throughout my career.

Part of your mental pregame preparations should be deciding something to be working on.. stance, timing, Trailing, or anything. There is ALWAYS something to work on and improve. Good luck!

[ronald]

ChessRef and Wadeintothem or anyone else,

Would you guys mind sharing what the evaluators mean by overhustle? How did they explain this concept?

Thanks, Ron