Heard today from a coach

[AtlUmpSteve]

To all of the situations above, my response would be "Coach, I will always go for help if there is some part of a play I didn't see. No matter what angle my partner has, it can't make me 'unsee' what I saw. There is no added information needed on this play; a second opinion doesn't change my call."

[RKBUmp]

I told him I was only 5' from the play and saw her foot land directly in the middle of the plate and that I was not going to go to my partner for help. Batter up, play ball.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve

To all of the situations above, my response would be "Coach, I will always go for help if there is some part of a play I didn't see. No matter what angle my partner has, it can't make me 'unsee' what I saw. There is no added information needed on this play; a second opinion doesn't change my call."

Damn! You are smooth!

[ronald]

"Coach, I will always go for help if there is some part of a play I didn't see. No matter what angle my partner has, it can't make me 'unsee' what I saw. There is no added information needed on this play; a second opinion doesn't change my call."


Steve, are you saying that regardaless of the information you got from your partner, the call is not changing?

It is possible to see something that did not really happen, i.e. you see a tag but your partner and everybody else including the player who missed the tag did not see the tag.

If you go to your partner and he or she says, the defense missed the tag, are you going to stick with your call? (confused)
Thanks. Ron

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by ronald

"Coach, I will always go for help if there is some part of a play I didn't see. No matter what angle my partner has, it can't make me 'unsee' what I saw. There is no added information needed on this play; a second opinion doesn't change my call."


Steve, are you saying that regardaless of the information you got from your partner, the call is not changing?

It is possible to see something that did not really happen, i.e. you see a tag but your partner and everybody else including the player who missed the tag did not see the tag.

If you go to your partner and he or she says, the defense missed the tag, are you going to stick with your call? (confused)
Thanks. Ron

There is no second opinion on a judgment call. There can be additional facts that the calling umpire was not aware of, but no second opinion on the judgment.

[ronald]

My reading of Steve's post is regarless of the facts he receives when he goes for help on "some part of a play [he] didn't see", he is sticking with his call.

Is that a correct reading of his paragraph?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by ronald

My reading of Steve's post is regarless of the facts he receives when he goes for help on "some part of a play [he] didn't see", he is sticking with his call.

Is that a correct reading of his paragraph?

No. That is not a correct reading, at least the way I am reading it. He is saying that he will not go for help, since the only thing the coach has questioned is his judgement, rather than some element of the play (pulled foot, bobbled ball..etc.) that Steve might have missed. You should NEVER go for help when a coach asks when the only question he has involves your judgement.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

No. That is not a correct reading, at least the way I am reading it. He is saying that he will not go for help, since the only thing the coach has questioned is his judgement, rather than some element of the play (pulled foot, bobbled ball..etc.) that Steve might have missed. You should NEVER go for help when a coach asks when the only question he has involves your judgement.

Also, keep in mind that when you go to your partner for help, you still need to make the call. You add what your partner gives you to what you saw and decide from there.

In the OP, if I clearly see the runner step full on the plate from just 5 feet away, there's nothing that my partner can tell me that would make me decide that I must have seen it wrong. And there would be no point even asking my partner.

There are times when you should check with your partner. This isn't one of them.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by Skahtboi

You should NEVER go for help when a coach asks when the only question he has involves your judgement.

Unless it is to get your foot out of his @$$.