Pitching Mechanics / Illegal Pitches / Teaching Children Properly From Day 1

[LoRafter]

I am on my third season of coaching my daughter's 6-U now 8-U softball teams. I am a bit frustrated with the mechanical flaws that are being taught at clinics and by other coaches. I could care less if the umpires call players on certain techicalities; however, I want to see the kids learning proper mechanics from the get-go.

My main issue/question right now is with the pitching mechanics of a girl on an opposing team/league. This pitcher starts her rotation with the ball in her glove then swings her arm back past her hip then forward until she has the ball back to her glove fully extended above her head, then with no pause she brings the ball back down past her side then forward again to the traditional windmill rotation.

I think this description may be confusing. I apologize if it makes no sense.

In any event, my understanding has always been that you can only cross your hip on the back swing then through the windmill until the release at the hip. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Thank you!!

[wadeintothem]

Wow, you really need a chill pill IMO. They are 6U and 8U, relax.

Based on the description, I think yes the "opposing" 6 year old is illegal because you I think you are describing the 1st grader as reversing her motion .

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by LoRafter

My main issue/question right now is with the pitching mechanics of a girl on an opposing team/league. This pitcher starts her rotation with the ball in her glove then swings her arm back past her hip then forward until she has the ball back to her glove fully extended above her head, then with no pause she brings the ball back down past her side then forward again to the traditional windmill rotation.

umm.. picturing it, i got a pause (if ever so slight) at the top to reverse (or to come down) direction.... but dang, thats gotta be a ugly mechanic.
just picking nits.
and dude dont chill (illegal is illegal)... i love making 8U's cry when i IP them over and over and over and over again. usually they get replaced when the first run comes in.

[vcblue]

Do you even have ASA umpires umping these games?

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by LoRafter

This pitcher starts her rotation with the ball in her glove then swings her arm back past her hip then forward until she has the ball back to her glove fully extended above her head, then with no pause she brings the ball back down past her side then forward again to the traditional windmill rotation.

You have umpires at 6U???

Anyway, there are some missing things in your description.

When do the hands first come together?
When do they separate?
Do they come together (touch) again after they separate?

[FullCount]

I've got a much different question- how many places have kids pitching in FP games at 6U? None around here that I know of. If a 5 or 6 year old is pitching I think you should be happy if they're able to throw a few across the plate regardless how they do it. You can correct the mechanics later.

[LoRafter]

I appreciate all your replies. First, I did not intend to come across as someone who wants to make a third grader (8-year old) cry. My concern is with the children learning proper fundamentals.

As I said in my initial post, I wouldn't want the child called on the motion during the game. I simply would want to make the coach aware that changes need to be made and worked on for the child sakes to avoid dealing with it later on. This kid had fabulous control, speed and composure for her age. She pitched better than most the 10 and 12-U pitchers. I complemented her after the game and her parents said she had been pitching since age 4. I know she will be successful throughout the years.

VCBLUE:

Yes. There was an ASA umpire who didn't know that foul tip caught by a catcher on the third strike was an out, that a ball hit in fair territory then rolling foul before passing first base and untouched is a foul ball and that even if the pitch was 3 feet outside, you still need to call a strike if the batter swings, etc. I did mention the pitching motion to the umpire and asked for his thoughts, while specifically stating I did not want her to be called on it; however, maybe he could speak with her couch for the kid's benefit. He did not have a clue whether it was legal or illegal. I said nothing further.

Fullcount:

My initial post stated that I couched 3 seasons, 2 of 6-U and now 8-U. No, the children did not pitch in 6-U. Now they are pitching. I care about the children and want to see them learn properly now so they continue to improving and have fun while doing so. It is my belief that proper fundamentals learned at a young age only benefits the children as their muscle memory kicks in.

Dakota:

Yes. Her hands were together after getting set on the mound. Then came apart on the back swing then back together again above her head. I have since found and confirmed the rule regarding how many times the ball can pass the hip, etc. It read, "can not put the hands together after they have separated." and, "The Pitcher must not make more than two revolutions of the arm on the windmill pitch." I simply needed confirmation from a forum I felt could provide accurate feedback.

Wadeitothem:

Although I appreciate your feedback, I am a very positive and supportive person that would never do anything to discourage the children. This child was not a 1st grader with backward mechanics. She was great with a slight illegal motion that yes, could easily be corrected. My theory is sooner rather than later. Again, I simply inquired to an umpire, one on one, with good intentions. I am not the coach that stands off to the side complaining, arguing calls, and disrespecting umpires.

To all:

I realize my email was a bit confusing and obviously misinterpreted by several. I feel a bit like jerk from your comments. I am just frustrated that rules, etc. are unknown by the people who should be on top of them. This is for the benefit of the children. Would you want their their school teachers to teach them to read from the end of the sentence to beginning.

I was taught to crow hop from my early days through traveling team play. When I reached high school, I had to readjust my mechanics. It was difficult, discouraging and took time to get back up to my level of play. I want to help these kids from going through the same experience.

Again, thanks for you comments.

[Dakota]

"Times past the hip" is not an indicator of an illegal pitch. The pitcher in your example committed an illegal pitch when she brought the hands together a second time. If she had not done that, she would have been illegal when she reversed her forward direction to take the second backswing.

[LoRafter]

Yes, that is what I meant; however, you phrased it much better. Thank you.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LoRafter

I am on my third season of coaching my daughter's 6-U now 8-U softball teams. I am a bit frustrated with the mechanical flaws that are being taught at clinics and by other coaches. I could care less if the umpires call players on certain techicalities; however, I want to see the kids learning proper mechanics from the get-go.

Okay, this is extraneous info. Umpires call the rules of the game whether it is young ladies or old men playing, that is their job. You are the coach, you teach the mechanics, we call the games. BTW, how much less could you care if the umpires call players on certain technicalities?

Let's parse this action.

This pitcher starts her rotation with the ball in her glove

I assume prior to this point, the pitcher contacted the pitcher's plate with both feet and her hands were separated and simulated taking a signal from the catcher, coach, parent, lady selling hot dogs. If not, it is now an illegal pitch.

then swings her arm back past her hip then forward until she has the ball back to her glove

Assuming she was good to this point, by separating the hands and then coming back together, it is now an IP.

fully extended above her head, then with no pause she brings the ball back down past her side then forward again to the traditional windmill rotation.

To start, no pause is allowed once the hands separate. Other than all the illegal stuff, sounds pretty good to me

In any event, my understanding has always been that you can only cross your hip on the back swing then through the windmill until the release at the hip. Please correct me if I am mistaken.

Consider yourself corrected. In FP, the hip isn't a consideration as it concerns when the ball must be released.

Thank you!!

You're welcome. I know this is late, but I didn't want to be left out.