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[Steve M]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

She was in the immediate act of fielding a batted ball - the fact she was not sucessful does not negate that. The ball passing a fielder immediately (albiet unsuccessfully) fielding the ball does not mean that fielder must go *poof*. There is no requirment the fielding of the ball must be sucessful.


Hence, from my point of view, it cannot be OBS.

There is nothing in the scenario to me that makes me think she was stepping after a deflected ball or a step and reach situation. Just she was still bent over after being in the act of fielding a ball.

Wade,
Hang on a minute, F6 had the opportunity to cleanly field the batted ball and muffed it. The ball is beyond a step & a reach, so F6 must go "poof". I've got obstruction here, too.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by topper

Please explain this to us. Who gets the warning, and what for?

fielder guilty of committing OBS gets a verbal....Umpire who made the call tells U1, who writes it down on back of lineup card.... and U1 notifies coach. or at least thats the way it was handled last night and thats how i understand it from the CCA.

wrong?

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by Steve M

Wade,
Hang on a minute, F6 had the opportunity to cleanly field the batted ball and muffed it. The ball is beyond a step & a reach, so F6 must go "poof". I've got obstruction here, too.

I just knew the *poof* thing was gonna come up....

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by whiskers_ump

My Bad,

SS did step towards the ball putting her into runners line.

That being the case, I would agree with the OBS unless you, as the umpire, believed the runner acted in a manner to create the OBS.

[Big Slick]

CNB, no warning on this play, the OBS did not happen while rounding or returning to a base.

[topper]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

fielder guilty of committing OBS gets a verbal....Umpire who made the call tells U1, who writes it down on back of lineup card.... and U1 notifies coach. or at least thats the way it was handled last night and thats how i understand it from the CCA.

wrong?

Rounding or returning only.

Also, the penalty for a second infraction by the same fielder is a base award, not ejection.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by topper

Rounding or returning only.

Also, the penalty for a second infraction by the same fielder is a base award, not ejection.

topper, don't wake him, he is still dazed.

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by topper

Please explain this to us. Who gets the warning, and what for?

You do, for not showing up in Sulphur!

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by topper

Rounding or returning only.

Also, the penalty for a second infraction by the same fielder is a base award, not ejection.

Yikes... i totally blew that one. ok, gonna have to do some "light reading" before my series this weekend. *&@@#$ dunno why i cross threaded that with the obstructing the batters line of vision.

Thanks for catching me on that.

but at least im not the one on the field that told me... ok thats one obs.. the next one gets her ejected and the third by any other fielder, they go and the coach goes too... TG we didnt have 3 obs last night. rofl.

[wadeintothem]

While I agree there could be an expectation that a defender go *poof - I guess the hang up would be a time frame as applied to a fielder being considered in the act of fielding a batted ball.

Once the ball is past the defender on the muff - are they still protected at all and/or for how long?

This is not a deflected ball scenario - so just in general.

.5 second? no seconds? 1 second?

The fielders body is immediately in the postion after the muff in this case correct?

So since they were unsucessful in fielding the ball they are considered to not be in the act of fielding it?

I'm not so sure.. but interesting discussion.

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

While I agree there could be an expectation that a defender go *poof - I guess the hang up would be a time frame as applied to a fielder being considered in the act of fielding a batted ball.

Once the ball is past the defender on the muff - are they still protected at all and/or for how long?

This is not a deflected ball scenario - so just in general.

.5 second? no seconds? 1 second?

The fielders body is immediately in the postion after the muff in this case correct?

So since they were unsucessful in fielding the ball they are considered to not be in the act of fielding it?

I'm not so sure.. but interesting discussion.

ok, if im robbing you (im in the act of) if ive already robbed you or at least tried and that event ended (its something different)
no? (probably because you've shot me )

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by CajunNewBlue

ok, if im robbing you (im in the act of) if ive already robbed you or at least tried and that event ended (its something different)
no? (probably because you've shot me )

If a defender dives for the ball and misses, landing on the ground and the runner has to jump over that defender - the call that is being adocated is OBS -

I have a no call on both cases. I still consider this type of issue as "act of fielding a batted ball"

[Dakota]

Problem is, wade, NFHS does not use the phrase "act of fielding a batted ball." They use the phrase "making the initial play on a batted ball" and they define what that phrase means:

Initial Play. A fielder is considered to be making an initial play on a fair batted ball when she:
a. Has a reasonable chance to gain control of a ground ball that no other fielder (except the pitcher) has touched.
b. Has a reasonable chance to catch the ball in flight after it touches another fielder.
c. Fails to gain control of the batted ball and is within a step and a reach (in any direction) of the spot of the initial contact.

[Dakota]

BTW, I just noticed a loophole in the initial play definition: It apparently is not an initial play to attempt to catch a ball in flight that has NOT touched another fielder!

[CajunNewBlue]

Originally Posted by Dakota

BTW, I just noticed a loophole in the initial play definition: It apparently is not an initial play to attempt to catch a ball in flight that has NOT touched another fielder!

d@mn NFHS... lol