The Official Forum  

Go Back   The Official Forum > Softball
Register FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #16 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 25, 2009, 10:49pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Twin Cities MN
Posts: 8,154
Quote:
Originally Posted by BretMan View Post
...I type, like, seventeen words a minute and by the time I typed all that, read it, looked at the rule book, re-read it, edited for typos and shifted a couple of the paragraphs around...
Yikes! Do the math on that one!
__________________
Tom
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 25, 2009, 10:58pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Columbus, Ohio
Posts: 1,640
Okay...

8,935,200 words per year or .283333333 words per second- take your pick!
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old Sun Jan 25, 2009, 11:32pm
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: USA
Posts: 14,565
Quote:
Originally Posted by AtlUmpSteve View Post
Not disagreeing with that method, Mike.

The new NCAA rule change on substitutions makes my point, I think. According to the rule, a sub is not in the game until all of the next 4 points are complete: 1) the coach reports the change to the plate umpire, 2) the plate umpire accepts the change (preferably repeating both names and numbers), 3) the plate umpire actually records the change (preferably showing the coach and getting agreement that this is the change desired), and 4) the plate umpire announces the change to the official scorer. If the reporting coach realizes that isn't the change desired, it can be stopped at any point in that process even after recorded, as long as not yet announced.

No way does it make sense to perform all 4 steps for one change, then all 4 steps for the 2nd change, then ...... As a practical matter, you take one at a time thru recording (report, accept, record, then report accept, record, etc.), then announce all subs at the same time. You maintain control, you make sure you have it right; then you finalize and announce all subs at the same time.
Nothing like a little overkill to make up for a coach's incompetence.
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old Mon Jan 26, 2009, 11:22am
Official Forum Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Woodstock, GA; Atlanta area
Posts: 2,822
This is their (NCAA) standard response to any time a coach either 1) abuses a situation, 2) claims the umpire got it it wrong, or 3) over-analyzes a rule. The NCAA comes back with a new rule and countless detail to regulate the situation.

Somewhere, a coach misstated a change, and swore the umpire got it wrong, not that she misstated it. Somewhere, a coach said 3 for 6, the umpire nodded, and before he could check his lineup to say "coach, I can't take that change, 3 has already been in the game", the opposing coach was already appealing an illegal sub, because the sub was "reported". And, despite countless years of umpires handling that situation, the NCAA overanalyzed the wording of the rule and said something had to change.

Years ago (2003 by my research), ASA made an editorial change saying a sub isn't in the game, reported or not, until a pitch or play occurs. That enabled umpires to use preventative officiating, and coaches to correct clerical, or even verbal errors. That has since been modified further, to include the requirement that the sub take an offensive or defensive position; that stopped a dead ball appeal from making the sub "in the game". Again, the result of a defensive team hearing in illegal substitution, immediately making a frivolous dead ball appeal (a play), then appealing the illegal sub; all before the umpire had a chance to look at his lineup card and record (or refuse) the change. In ASA, it didn't (and doesn't) matter if the coach swears the umpire recorded it wrong; the coach is responsible to make legal substitutions, and has always had the right to confirm that the recorded change is what he reported.

But, the NCAA took the approach of mandating a detailed sequence that is intended to make the umpire and coach interaction a full detailed choreographed sequence. We are NOT to accept the common "3 for 6" from the 3rd base coaching box, with 3 standing at the plate ready to pinch hit, or running onto the field to run; even if it is clear and obvious. We must have the coach come to our side while we check our lineup card, show her the lineup card and point out while repeating "#3, Sally Smith for #6, Julie Jones, this spot in the order, right coach?", before recording it, and then reporting it to the official scorer, opposing coach, and announcers (if any).

Granted, there are times you might want to do that; like when the change(s) you are given don't look or sound right. Certainly use preventative officiating, fix (stop) the correctable errors. But to mandate that process, now named RARA (Report, Accept, Record, Announce) for routine changes; yep, overkill, to either protect against an unscrupulous coach, or make up for an incompetent coach.
__________________
Steve
ASA/ISF/NCAA/NFHS/PGF
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Batter Missing First Base tibear Baseball 19 Fri Feb 02, 2007 02:31pm
Batter carries her bat to first base ... 3afan Softball 14 Wed Nov 22, 2006 07:34pm
Batter walks and overruns 1st base Hi Neighbor Softball 9 Tue May 02, 2006 01:36pm
Correct call for missed base? DaveASA/FED Baseball 7 Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:27pm
PU covers third base on batter-runner triple Ump20 Baseball 12 Tue Feb 13, 2001 05:59pm


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:58pm.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1