USSSA, Bat Stinger

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Sounds like you are referring to a "Power Pad"


http://www.loadedbases.com/powpadbatpro.html


Don't know about U-trip. A few years back, this was an "approved" attachment, but apparently, it is no longer as adding anything to the knob other than two layers of tape is considered illegal.

Mike, are you speaking ASA? The debate over these "knobs" has gone back and forth among different umpires, and I'd love to have something I can reference. I've scoured over Rule 3, Section 1 over and over, and I must be missing it.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

Mike, are you speaking ASA? The debate over these "knobs" has gone back and forth among different umpires, and I'd love to have something I can reference. I've scoured over Rule 3, Section 1 over and over, and I must be missing it.

Yes, ASA. But it has been quite a few years since it was mentioned in the rule book.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Yes, ASA. But it has been quite a few years since it was mentioned in the rule book.

And I wish I could find what you're referring to, but 3-1-I says...

The Knob may be molded, lathed, welded, or permanently fastened to the bat, and may be taped as long as there is no violation of this section.

So since these things are rubber, they're molded to the size of the knob. Thus, they meet the requirement. *grumble*

When's the next rule change committee, Mike?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

And I wish I could find what you're referring to, but 3-1-I says...



So since these things are rubber, they're molded to the size of the knob. Thus, they meet the requirement. *grumble*

When's the next rule change committee, Mike?

No, they are not necessarily "molded" to the size of the knob. The presence of this piece expands the size if the knob. Nor do they necessarily fit tight on the safety knob.

If you read 3.1.I, you will see: The diameter of the flat region of the Knob adjacent to the Grip (D) shall be at least 0.1250 inches greather than the bat Hnadle diameter including the Grip (H). The angle of the Flat reion of the Knob adjacent to the Grip (B) shall be perpendicular to the center line of the bat (A) within ten (10) degrees.

Note how the portion on the top (toward the barrel) is grooved and rounded. When applied, there is no "flat" surface, nor do I believe there is a perpendicular angle which persists for 1/8 of an inch.

You will also note that in 3.1.J, it is noted that the bat characteristics must be permanently fixed at the time of the manufacture eacept as otherwise specfically provided for in Rule 3.1.

The ONLY specifically noted manners in which anything may be added to the bat is given as an approved safety grip (manufactured or tape), the allowance to provide a "lasered" ID mark (or an engraved mark on the knob only of a metal bat).

I don't see any allowance to add anything to the grip with the exception of two layers of tape as long as the bat meets all other spec of the rules.

Thus, I cannot see how this is permitted based on rule 3.1 without some type of action on ASA's behalf to specifically approve this specific piece of equipment.

[NCASAUmp]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

No, they are not necessarily "molded" to the size of the knob. The presence of this piece expands the size if the knob. Nor do they necessarily fit tight on the safety knob.

If you read 3.1.I, you will see: The diameter of the flat region of the Knob adjacent to the Grip (D) shall be at least 0.1250 inches greather than the bat Hnadle diameter including the Grip (H). The angle of the Flat reion of the Knob adjacent to the Grip (B) shall be perpendicular to the center line of the bat (A) within ten (10) degrees.

Note how the portion on the top (toward the barrel) is grooved and rounded. When applied, there is no "flat" surface, nor do I believe there is a perpendicular angle which persists for 1/8 of an inch.

You will also note that in 3.1.J, it is noted that the bat characteristics must be permanently fixed at the time of the manufacture eacept as otherwise specfically provided for in Rule 3.1.

The ONLY specifically noted manners in which anything may be added to the bat is given as an approved safety grip (manufactured or tape), the allowance to provide a "lasered" ID mark (or an engraved mark on the knob only of a metal bat).

I don't see any allowance to add anything to the grip with the exception of two layers of tape as long as the bat meets all other spec of the rules.

Thus, I cannot see how this is permitted based on rule 3.1 without some type of action on ASA's behalf to specifically approve this specific piece of equipment.

That's exactly the kind of reference I was looking for. At the risk of being OOO, those d@mned things are gone.

[JefferMC]

Originally Posted by NCASAUmp

That's exactly the kind of reference I was looking for. At the risk of being OOO, those d@mned things are gone.

Sounds OOO to me. Don't see any potential safety risk.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by JefferMC

Sounds OOO to me. Don't see any potential safety risk.

Batter lets the bat slip out of her hands on the swing and the bat flies directly into the face of a fielder. And you allowed illegal equipment on the bat handle.

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