Rule 8-7-C (ASA) Clarification

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Regarding force outs, kyleflan, ASA has two rules that do not always match those of other codes:

1. Once the batter/BR has been put out, all force plays are off. For example, Abel on 3B, Baker on 1B, one out. Charles gets a hit down the right field line to score Abel. Baker misses 2B on his way to 3B, and Charles is thrown out at 2B trying for a double. The defense appeals Baker's miss of 2B and the umpire upholds the appeal for the third out. Ruling: The inning is over on the third out, but Abel's run counts. Baker's miss of 2B is not considered a force play, as the BR Charles was put out previously. Some other codes consider Baker's miss a force play (and nullify the run) because (a) Baker was forced when he missed 2B, or (b) he was forced to 2B when the play began.

2. Rule 8-7-C applies not only to runners, but also to the BR. If the BR reaches 1B and retreats toward home, he also reinstates the "force" and can be put out by tagging 1B. Other codes do not technically consider the out at 1B a force out, and once the BR touches 1B, he must be tagged even if he retreats toward home. (This has nothing to do with stepping backward to avoid a tag.)

wadeintothem, you're right that the YSIF also reinstates the force when the runner retreats. I'm checking to see whether they have a case play at 1B, though. (You should see the penalty for running the bases in the reverse order for the purposes of making a travesty of the game. The runner is out and . . . yow!)