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brand-spanking-new ump. here with a question.
I get the infield fly rule and it's purpose. In the OP the ball landed in foul territory and then rolled fair. Why, in this scenario isn't this just a foul ball .. or is it? I'm having trouble following the different replies with regard to the correct ruling in this situation. |
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The first thing you need to know is forum umpires love debating nuance. I havent read this whole thread, so its probably a lot of that. The OP stated lands on the foul side and rolls fair between H/1B.. so that is what? Fair.. so IFF would apply since it applies to fair balls (as opposed to foul balls).
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I have always thought that the IFR should be in effect even if it is only with first base occupied and less than 2 outs. What protects the offense if the defense just lets the ball drop and then turns a double play?
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The reason the rule is there is because the runners are in a no win situation since they are required to tag up prior to advancing on a caught fly ball. The BR has no such restrictions. |
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Ok by RS 30 an ID ball is one that was caught so BR is out. So the only reason we kill it is to protect the runners from thinking the dropped ball was NOT a catch and has put them into a position to have to advance. So we have a legal catch and BR out by fielders action (different from IF) and this following action of dropping the ball, possibly decieving the offense making them think it was NOT a catch is the reason for killing the play and putting them back in the TOP positions.
Does that seem about right? I am really saying the above to make sure I understand this right!!! |
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So, if it is a fair ball, the IFR* applies if the other conditions are met. Fair/foul and IFR* if fair are two separate issues. As Tom says repeatedly and more clearly, an IFR* infield fly is the same as any other fly ball except the batter is automatically out. * IFR, not IFF, infield is one word.
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