Should Umpires correct unchallenged mistakes?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Steve M

I'm with SRW, Bret, Greymule on this.
Your first issue is a rule issue and that can & should be fixed.
Your second is judgement - unless partner speaks & makes it a rule issue - and we live with partner's judgement. I think it was Bret that pointed out - the rules forbid one umpire from seeking to influence & overturn another umpire's judgement call.

Yep, put my name in there, too!

Of course, most of us veterans will find a way to get our partners attention without blatantly injecting ourselves into the discussion.

That gives our partner the opportunity to actually look like a nice guy by agreeing to check with his partner and getting the call correct.

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by Steve M

I'm with SRW, Bret, Greymule on this.
Your first issue is a rule issue and that can & should be fixed.
Your second is judgement - unless partner speaks & makes it a rule issue - and we live with partner's judgement. I think it was Bret that pointed out - the rules forbid one umpire from seeking to influence & overturn another umpire's judgement call.

First - the second is not a judgemnt call; it is a mistake in rule application. My partner did not see the pitcher fake a throw; he called the LBR violation only based on what the runner did. But - after the fake, the LBR was off - so he could not call a violation.

Second - I am not talking about judgment plays; I am not talking about overruling a partner; I am a little taken back at some of you guys suggesting otherwise of me.

All that I am asking for is your opinion on what you would do in either of my situations, or any that you've seen where a rule was incorrectly applied through ignorance or not seeing some critical information.

Would you - call time and go talk to your partner?

Forget cutesy little signals; would you stop the game and conference with your partner? Would you say that you have a different interpretation of the rule, or that you saw something different that could have changed his call.

OR

Do you simply say, its not my call. If he comes to me I'll tell him my view. If the coach challenges him and he comes to me, I'll help. Otherwise my attitude is if the coaches are too dumb to protect their players, it not my fault.

Obviously two vary disparate views. Prior to this post, I've mostly hear the later view. What say you today?

WMB

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by WestMichBlue

First - the second is not a judgemnt call; it is a mistake in rule application. My partner did not see the pitcher fake a throw; he called the LBR violation only based on what the runner did. But - after the fake, the LBR was off - so he could not call a violation.

Is not the determination over whether the pitcher actually made or faked a play a judgment call?

[wadeintothem]

I dont think you should rush in to initiate a change of your partners call by requesting the conference yourself.

I think the better approach would be for umpires to be to be willing to question themselves and confer when something just doesnt sit right... and initiate a conference on your call with your partner.

Sometimes you know you blew it, so if possible (within certain circumstances, ESPECIALLY RULES or difficult award situations), initiate the conference and confer and make it EASIER to fix it. You already knew you blew it.. so a quick chat and fix it.