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So what are you proposing, jimpiano? Award one base for both rules or two bases?
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Read the rule. If you still think you have it right, read the rule again. Quote for us where it says anything about retouching, or legally touched bases, or anything of the sort. Good luck there, as these words only appear in Jim's ASA Calvinball book. The rule is simple - the LAST BASE TOUCHED... what they have to do otherwise is irrelevant.
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Second, your statement is not true at all if the runner is still past 2nd base when the throw toward first base is released. If he is ... he gets home. The direction he's running is irrelevant.
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Basically, jimpiano, a fielder unintentionally carrying a live ball into dead ball territory (such as in the OP you described) is a small "oops." One base from base last touched.
A fielder throwing poorly is a big "oops." Two bases from base last touched when the ball was released. Keep in mind I'm saying this with a little "tongue in cheek." I don't know ASA's rationale behind every rule, and I frankly have too many things going on with work right now to ponder it. So in the end, I call what they give me for a ruleset.
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Rule Supplement #27 reads in part:
(T)he base award is governed from the last base [B]legally[B] touched at the time the ball became dead. The runner cannot have legally touched any base beyond first since he is required, by the rules, to tag first base after the catch to legally advance. Even the award of second base is not legal unless the runner retouches first or the defending teams forgoes an appeal. No runner can legally advance to any base if he in jeopardy of being called out for missing a previous base. |
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(T)he base award is governed from the last base [B]legally[B] touched at the time the ball became dead. Even the award of second base is not legal unless the runner retouches first or the defending teams forgoes an appeal. The runner cannot have legally touched any base beyond first since he is required, by the rules, to tag first base after the catch to legally advance. No runner can legally advance to any base if he in jeopardy of being called out for missing a previous base. |
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That RS is NOT making a distinction between a touched and passed-but-not-touched base. It is talking about a base to which the runner is not legally entitled. Before misinterpreting an RS, try reading the actual rule about a touched base.
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The decision to award a base or bases, depending upon intent, is based on pretty clear language:....(T)he base award is based on the last base legally touched at the time the ball became dead. The original post deals only with this rule and rule supplement #27 makes it clear that the last base touched means the last legal base touched. |
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