Dead Ball Advancement

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Mountaineer

OK Mike, I'm disputing that. She has to retouch 1st - right? Then she gets 3rd? For some reason that just seems wrong to me.

You could not possibly be at the level you claim and mistake this one.

Read the rule. If you still think you have it right, read the rule again.

Quote for us where it says anything about retouching, or legally touched bases, or anything of the sort. Good luck there, as these words only appear in Jim's ASA Calvinball book.

The rule is simple - the LAST BASE TOUCHED... what they have to do otherwise is irrelevant.

[jimpiano]

Rule Supplement #27 reads in part:

(T)he base award is governed from the last base [B]legally[B] touched at the time the ball became dead.

The runner cannot have legally touched any base beyond first since he is required, by the rules, to tag first base after the catch to legally advance.

Even the award of second base is not legal unless the runner retouches first or the defending teams forgoes an appeal.

No runner can legally advance to any base if he in jeopardy of being called out for missing a previous base.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

You could not possibly be at the level you claim and mistake this one.

Read the rule. If you still think you have it right, read the rule again.

Quote for us where it says anything about retouching, or legally touched bases, or anything of the sort. Good luck there, as these words only appear in Jim's ASA Calvinball book.

The rule is simple - the LAST BASE TOUCHED... what they have to do otherwise is irrelevant.

Rule Supplement #27 reads in part:

(T)he base award is governed from the last base [B]legally[B] touched at the time the ball became dead.

Even the award of second base is not legal unless the runner retouches first or the defending teams forgoes an appeal.

The runner cannot have legally touched any base beyond first since he is required, by the rules, to tag first base after the catch to legally advance.

No runner can legally advance to any base if he in jeopardy of being called out for missing a previous base.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Rule Supplement #27 reads in part:

(T)he base award is governed from the last base [B]legally[B] touched at the time the ball became dead.

Even the award of second base is not legal unless the runner retouches first or the defending teams forgoes an appeal.

The runner cannot have legally touched any base beyond first since he is required, by the rules, to tag first base after the catch to legally advance.

No runner can legally advance to any base if he in jeopardy of being called out for missing a previous base.

Leaving first base early does not mean every future touch of a base is illegal. Let me ask you this ... a runner on first appears to be tagging, but leaves a step or so early, and is rounding 2nd heading for third when a relay throw is thrown into the third base dugout ... what base do you award?

[SRW]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The runner cannot have legally touched any base beyond first since he is required, by the rules, to tag first base after the catch to legally advance.

No runner can legally advance to any base if he in jeopardy of being called out for missing a previous base.

And what rule are you reading this one from?

[Dakota]

... sigh...

ASA Rule 8 Section 3. TOUCHING BASES IN LEGAL ORDER.
B. When a runner or batter-runner acquires the right to a base by touching it before being put out, the runner or batter-runner is entitled to hold the base until legally touching the next base in order or is forced to vacate it for a succeeding runner. When a runner passes a base, the runner is considered to have touched the base. This also applies to awarded bases.

I don't know why I bother.

[jimpiano]

I don't know why I bother.


I don't know why you bother, either.
If you cannot understand RS#27 then there is not much use of debating this further.

[greymule]

jimpiano, what award would you make on the following plays?:

1. Abel hits a ball off the RF fence. He misses 1B, touches 2B, and is on his way to 3B when F9 releases the throw toward 3B. Abel slides into 3B safely, and the ball gets away and goes into the dugout.

2. Abel on 1B with no outs. Baker hits a long drive to right center. Everyone in the park watches F8 make a spectacular diving catch at the fence, while you notice not only the catch but also the fact that Abel left 1B a half step too soon. Abel is around 2B and on his way to 3B when F4, who took F8's throw, releases his throw to 3B. Abel slides into 3B safely, and the ball gets away and goes into the dugout.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by greymule

jimpiano, what award would you make on the following plays?:

1. Abel hits a ball off the RF fence. He misses 1B, touches 2B, and is on his way to 3B when F9 releases the throw toward 3B. Abel slides into 3B safely, and the ball gets away and goes into the dugout.

2. Abel on 1B with no outs. Baker hits a long drive to right center. Everyone in the park watches F8 make a spectacular diving catch at the fence, while you notice not only the catch but also the fact that Abel left 1B a half step too soon. Abel is around 2B and on his way to 3B when F4, who took F8's throw, releases his throw to 3B. Abel slides into 3B safely, and the ball gets away and goes into the dugout.

Do you get the meaning of the OP?
It is about a fielder going into dead ball territory while making a legal catch.

If you want to start a separate conversation about different circumstances you certainly are free to do so.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

I don't know why I bother.


I don't know why you bother, either.
If you cannot understand RS#27 then there is not much use of debating this further.

ME understand RS27??? There's a laugh.

Using the rule I posted, define "legally touched".

Should I read it to you slowly?

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Dakota

ME understand RS27??? There's a laugh.

Using the rule I posted, define "legally touched".

Should I read it to you slowly?

Read as slow as you want, but I doubt it is going to do you any good.

The runner in the original post, by rule, is awarded second base.

[Mountaineer]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

You could not possibly be at the level you claim and mistake this one.

OK you caught me . . . it's no wonder people are afraid to post stuff, they get attacked personally. I guess I could give you my supervisor's number if you'd like to verify it. So I over analyzed a play . . . be thankful that you have never done that.

[SRW]

I wouldn't waste any more effort on jimpiano, guys.

Assume a hypothetical situation that jimpiano is at an ASA championship play tournament. Also assume the situation in the OP happens, and he awards 2B on his field. Then assume he allows the offensive coach's protest by double fist pumping for the UIC.

He'll lose his protest. He'll argue with the UIC over the rule interpretation. And he won't be working any Sunday games because of it.

All that means is that the rest of us working at said hypothetical championship play tournament will now have a better chance at working Sunday.

So don't worry about it. We know he's wrong, but he won't accept that he's wrong. It'll all pan out in the end.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by SRW

I wouldn't waste any more effort on jimpiano, guys.

Assume a hypothetical situation that jimpiano is at an ASA championship play tournament. Also assume the situation in the OP happens, and he awards 2B on his field. Then assume he allows the offensive coach's protest by double fist pumping for the UIC.

He'll lose his protest. He'll argue with the UIC over the rule interpretation. And he won't be working any Sunday games because of it.

All that means is that the rest of us working at said hypothetical championship play tournament will now have a better chance at working Sunday.

So don't worry about it. We know he's wrong, but he won't accept that he's wrong. It'll all pan out in the end.

Not to worry.

Saturday my assignment is the ASA Championship Tourney in Class D.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Not to worry.

Saturday my assignment is the ASA Championship Tourney in Class D.

Oh, I cannot help myself. This is pretty good since ASA doesn't have a Championship in a Class D anything for another month.