Pony Rules Softball

[debeau]

My thoughts exactly .
But like I said you dont argue with Merle Butler at an ISF seminar .
But in saying that it is logical , but not nessecarily , within the rules that you kill the ball .
Then you put the runner back to the last base legally touched .
Offense happy that there wasnt two outs and defense happy that the runner didnt advance .
I didnt make it clear of course that the BR would be out .

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by debeau

My thoughts exactly .
But like I said you dont argue with Merle Butler at an ISF seminar .
But in saying that it is logical , but not nessecarily , within the rules that you kill the ball .
Then you put the runner back to the last base legally touched .
Offense happy that there wasnt two outs and defense happy that the runner didnt advance .
I didnt make it clear of course that the BR would be out .

Well, unless ISF is remarkably different in this area, I think you are representing that guy as dead wrong when he is not here to defend himself. Tell him to sign on , if he thinks that garbage, I'll argue with him.

[debeau]

Wadeintothem
You still havnt answered the scenario as its written .

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by debeau

Wadeintothem
You still havnt answered the scenario as its written .

Sure I did, in post 11. Whether there is FOR SURE INT on this deflected ball or not cant be answered. In a game, i would probably lean towards INT and a nice little out for me.

[debeau]

Well if I am the coach .
"What is it Blue ,out, do over or what , make a decision "

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by debeau

Well if I am the coach .
"What is it Blue ,out, do over or what , make a decision "

Well I'd have to either have more details or see it to make a decision.. I dont need more details to know you and/or merle are full of crap if you try to tell me the batter in this situation is out by pseudo catch or some such.

[debeau]

BLUE WHATS YOUR CALL
We havnt got ten cameras for a replay,, the play is as described thats all you saw

[outathm]

What you have is a dead ball and an out on the R1. BR is awarded 1b and scored as a hit.

Outathm
PONY SB UIC

[Harshblue]

So Outham you obviously have INT .
The runner stopped a play by a fielder did they ?
If the runner hadnt caught the ball it would have flew out to centrefield who had no chance to make an out , so where is the INT ?

[wadeintothem]

The following situation doesnt apply at all to an INT call, but it does illustrate how things "happen" on the field which may not necessarily be INT even if it was a runner and a batted deflected ball:

I'm hooked in for a play at 2B, about 6 feet in on 2B. HARD Throw from outfield deflects off of tip of F6's glove and hits me square in on the right cheek of my face. Luckily all my teeth stayed in my head because I got popped good. I wasnt quick enough to defend myself on that play and took the shot in my face.

The point is, a deflected ball coming at a runner may result in a defensive action which may or may not be interference. You still must judge intent on a deflection here. Was there intentional interference or was she just acting in a defensive manner?

In either case, maybe it's INT, maybe not. Because of the way it is worded, I would say I lean heavily towards INT on this play.. it sounds bone headed of the runner to catch a ball that "pops" to her "instinctively" and then drops to the ground.

A deflected batted ball is not the same as a batted ball which hasnt passed infielders.

Would you guys be calling the play differently if it was worded:

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1. Runner at first no outs. Hard liner at first baseman runner has taken lead, ball deflects off of glove and smashes the runner in the face.

2. Runner at first no outs. Hard liner at first baseman runner has taken lead, ball deflects off of glove; the runner raises her hand preventing the ball from hitting her, the ball hits her hand and drops to the ground.

[celebur]

Originally Posted by Harshblue

So Outham you obviously have INT .
The runner stopped a play by a fielder did they ?
If the runner hadnt caught the ball it would have flew out to centrefield who had no chance to make an out , so where is the INT ?

Let's look at the OP again, shall we?

Originally Posted by HandMark7

Runner at first no outs. Hard liner at first baseman runner has taken lead, ball deflects off of glove and hops to runner who instinctively catches is and quickly drops ball to ground. Any help appreciated.

Where in this sitch does it imply that the ball would have flown to centrefield? Not that I'm saying that any other fielder would have had a chance at an out, but nothing in the OP supports your hypothesis about what would have happened had the runner not caught the ball.

[AtlUmpSteve]

Originally Posted by outathm

What you have is a dead ball and an out on the R1. BR is awarded 1b and scored as a hit.

Outathm
PONY SB UIC

Not that we care, but, when a runner is out on interference, BR is credited with a fielder's choice, not a hit. ASA 11.3-D