Game ending scenario - runner goes into DBT

[Dakota]

I brought this up once in the other thread, but didn't ask again there since it was a bit off the topic of the appeals and such.

Bases loaded, bottom 7, R1 is the winning run. 1 out. BR gets a walk. R1 crosses home. All other runners enter the celebration and do not advance to their bases.

In FP, this is a live ball situation. An appeal cannot be made until the runners are no longer eligible to complete their base-running duties. That can't happen until the runners enter DBT. However, if the runners abandon their attempt to advance and enter DBT, that is not an appeal. They are merely out.

Does the umpire declare them out rather than wait on the appeal? If not, why not?

If, in the celebration, one or more of the active runners pass each other, are they also declared out? If not, why not?

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I brought this up once in the other thread, but didn't ask again there since it was a bit off the topic of the appeals and such.

Bases loaded, bottom 7, R1 is the winning run. 1 out. BR gets a walk. R1 crosses home. All other runners enter the celebration and do not advance to their bases.

In FP, this is a live ball situation. An appeal cannot be made until the runners are no longer eligible to complete their base-running duties. That can't happen until the runners enter DBT. However, if the runners abandon their attempt to advance and enter DBT, that is not an appeal. They are merely out.

Does the umpire declare them out rather than wait on the appeal? If not, why not?

If, in the celebration, one or more of the active runners pass each other, are they also declared out? If not, why not?

ASA Case Book 2005/06 Page 80, Play 8.6-1


Similar situation with two outs.....in one scenario the batter leaves the field, in the other, the runner on first leaves....

The ruling states that in neither case is it an appeal play and must be called by the umpire as soon as the offending player leaves the field. The same ruling could be extended to your scenario of a runner passing another runner

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by Dakota

I brought this up once in the other thread, but didn't ask again there since it was a bit off the topic of the appeals and such.

Bases loaded, bottom 7, R1 is the winning run. 1 out. BR gets a walk. R1 crosses home. All other runners enter the celebration and do not advance to their bases.

In FP, this is a live ball situation. An appeal cannot be made until the runners are no longer eligible to complete their base-running duties. That can't happen until the runners enter DBT. However, if the runners abandon their attempt to advance and enter DBT, that is not an appeal. They are merely out.

Does the umpire declare them out rather than wait on the appeal? If not, why not?

One word - booger! I'm not looking for any, are you?

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

One word - booger! I'm not looking for any, are you?

What, exactly, was the point of that post?

[MNBlue]

If I understand Irish correctly, I believe the point was, "Didn't see it, so I can't call it."

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by MNBlue

If I understand Irish correctly, I believe the point was, "Didn't see it, so I can't call it."

What an answer.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

What an answer.

It's common in clinics and amongst umpires to say "don't pick boogers" as a means of describing over officiating.

I'm not surprised you've never heard that term.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

It's common in clinics and amongst umpires to say "don't pick boogers" as a means of describing over officiating.

I'm not surprised you've never heard that term.

If you say so.

[bkbjones]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

If you say so.

Well, dammit, if you go looking for boogers you will find boogers. Every other umpire on here has found them and learned not to go looking for them.

Mike's answer not only made sense but was right on. And, as far as I know, "looking for boogers" is not some regional colloquialism. We use it in WA, they use it in DE, I've used it in TX and so have others, and even the Okies use it.

[Steve M]

Originally Posted by bkbjones

Well, dammit, if you go looking for boogers you will find boogers. Every other umpire on here has found them and learned not to go looking for them.

Mike's answer not only made sense but was right on. And, as far as I know, "looking for boogers" is not some regional colloquialism. We use it in WA, they use it in DE, I've used it in TX and so have others, and even the Okies use it.

John,
Add Pa to that list. It's a wide-spread phrase and is seems to be generally accepted & used.

[mcrowder]

I understand the reference to not picking boogers here ... but not picking this particular booger can get you in trouble if the other team is paying attention. We discussed in the earlier thread that all runners must reach their bases or be subject to appeal. The problem on this one is that the BR should be called out BEFORE any appeal is necessary, and if I'm the coach on the other side, I'm going to expect you to do so.

I admit that I understand the motivation for ignoring this call --- I just don't know if I could actually do so on the field. Maybe that makes me OOO, I don't know - but this one just feels wrong to me to ignore.

[Dakota]

I understand Mike's point. Taking the defense off the hook because they were not paying attention seems like over officiating. OTOH, it is the rule.

OTOH, again, the umpire's responsibilities at the end of the game are as Mike outlined. Are we actually supposed to track every runner in and out of the celebration to wait and see if they enter DBT? What if they all go through the line up hand-slap "good game" ritual that the kids do? I'll be gone before then.

[woolnojg]

Let's see...

No mention of B/R in the OP.

B/R touches 1st.. Runners from 1st and 2nd out for abandonment. Timing play, run scores , game over.

B/R fails to go to 1st.
B/R out for abandonment, 2nd out. Runners from 1st or 2nd out for abandonment, 3rd out, timing play. Run scores, game over.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by woolnojg

No mention of B/R in the OP.

???

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by Dakota

???

He meant BR touching or not touching first base on the walk, I believe.