Slow Pitch Umps

[Chess Ref]

So let me make sure I have this correct .

1. Illegal Pitch means the pitch was too low or too high ?
2. I signal DDB. Batters doesn't swing. Ball on batter . runners advance 1 base. Correct ?

3. Batter swings -play on - Correct ?


4. Ball hits ground=dead ball, do you signal dead ball like in FP ?

[archangel]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So let me make sure I have this correct .

1. Illegal Pitch means the pitch was too low or too high ?
2. I signal DDB. Batters doesn't swing. Ball on batter . runners advance 1 base. Correct ?

3. Batter swings -play on - Correct ?


4. Ball hits ground=dead ball, do you signal dead ball like in FP ?

1. yes, those are 2 examples of IP
2. Wrong, runners dont advance on high/low illegal pitches
3. Yes, play on
4. Yes

[jimpiano]

Unless there is stealing signaling dead ball is a waste of effort. Nothing in slow pitch can happen until the batter swings.

[scottk_61]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

Unless there is stealing signaling dead ball is a waste of effort. Nothing in slow pitch can happen until the batter swings.

It might be wasted effort, but it is a required mechanic that will save you some grief at some point when the whiner,,,,,I mean pitcher, says, "but you didn't signal illegal, you can't claim it after the pitch got there,"

CYA, make the signal too

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by scottk_61

It might be wasted effort, but it is a required mechanic that will save you some grief at some point when the whiner,,,,,I mean pitcher, says, "but you didn't signal illegal, you can't claim it after the pitch got there,"

CYA, make the signal too

The question referred to a dead ball, i.e hitting the ground before the plate,,,,This is not an illegal pitch or a delayed dead ball and requires no signal, verbal or visual, unless there is stealing.

On an illegal pitch the umpire can declare it at anytime the umpire determines it is illegal,,,even if this means when it has become dead by being caught by the catcher.

Everyone on the field can whine ....but it changes nothing.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by jimpiano

The question referred to a dead ball, i.e hitting the ground before the plate,,,,This is not an illegal pitch or a delayed dead ball and requires no signal, verbal or visual, unless there is stealing.

On an illegal pitch the umpire can declare it at anytime the umpire determines it is illegal,,,even if this means when it has become dead by being caught by the catcher.

Everyone on the field can whine ....but it changes nothing.

Well, actually the OP offered the possibility the ball hitting the ground in front of the plate as an IP. The first response separated the IP from dead ball. However, the recent responses were to Tom who stated he gives a DB signal on an IP. We were just seeking clarification to avoid confusion for any non-veteran umpire.

However, there is a prescribe mechanic for a ball hitting the plate or ground in front of the plate or the batter which is described on page 225 of umpire manual section of the 2007 ASA Umpire Edition of the rules book.

It is a good mechanic to use for all SP games whether stealing is being allowed or not. For years, umpires have been pointing to the plate, pounding their fists or making some other type of silly looking signal to indicate to the pitcher that the ball hit the plate. ASA has now provided a standard mechanic for this occurence and I see no reason why it should not be utilized when applicable.

[jimpiano]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Well, actually the OP offered the possibility the ball hitting the ground in front of the plate as an IP. The first response separated the IP from dead ball. However, the recent responses were to Tom who stated he gives a DB signal on an IP. We were just seeking clarification to avoid confusion for any non-veteran umpire.

However, there is a prescribe mechanic for a ball hitting the plate or ground in front of the plate or the batter which is described on page 225 of umpire manual section of the 2007 ASA Umpire Edition of the rules book.

It is a good mechanic to use for all SP games whether stealing is being allowed or not. For years, umpires have been pointing to the plate, pounding their fists or making some other type of silly looking signal to indicate to the pitcher that the ball hit the plate. ASA has now provided a standard mechanic for this occurence and I see no reason why it should not be utilized when applicable.

Unless a pitched ball is illegal for another reason one that simply fails to get over the plate is a ball and is dead, unless there is stealing.

Page 225 refers to games with stealing and the prescribed mechanic has no meaning in games where there is no stealing, i.e almost all slow pitch softball games.

The umpire is under no obligation to explain, visually or verbally, why a ball is a ball,,,,,but the universal pounding of the fists is clear to all players,including the "umpires" at shortstop and in the outfield, that the ball did not cross the plate.

Whoever invented it should get royalties.

[archangel]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

So let me make sure I have this correct .

1. Illegal Pitch means the pitch was too low or too high ?
2. I signal DDB. Batters doesn't swing. Ball on batter . runners advance 1 base. Correct ?

3. Batter swings -play on - Correct ?


4. Ball hits ground=dead ball, do you signal dead ball like in FP ?

1. yes, those are 2 examples of IP
2. Wrong, runners dont advance on high/low illegal pitches, and calling out "illegal pitch" is enough (lets batter know)
3. Yes, play on
4. Yes

[rodan55]

Will the games be played with stealing?

[Chess Ref]

I don't believe there is stealing allowed. This are pretty much middle to high beer leagues.......

[NDblue]

With an addition to signaling DB, I also say loud enough for the batter and catcher to hear me, "illegal". The pitcher doesn't need to hear me as they should be able to see the signal but if they ask (nicely), I'll tell them what the problem was with the pitch.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by NDblue

With an addition to signaling DB, I also say loud enough for the batter and catcher to hear me, "illegal". The pitcher doesn't need to hear me as they should be able to see the signal but if they ask (nicely), I'll tell them what the problem was with the pitch.

I'm sure you meant "DDB"

[NDblue]

I meant to say Dead Ball and that's what I thought I said.