Game over or keep playing?????????

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

0-2 count, 1 out. R1 on 3rd, R2 on 3rd. Batter checks, R2 is stealing. Catcher throws down to 2nd, R2 is caught in a rundown, R1 takes off and scores well before R2 is out.

R2 out for passing R1. Dead ball and R1 out on the interference of R2 continuing to run (backwards) and drawing a throw. Now, what was your question?

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

0-2 count, 1 out. R1 on 3rd, R2 on 3rd.

Hopefully, F5 gets the ball and tags R2, second out.

[Dakota]

Originally Posted by Keith

Long time reader-first time poster.

Welcome!

Originally Posted by Keith

Situation: Bottom of 6th. 2 outs, 3-2 count Batter checks her swing......or did she - P/U asks B/U "Did she go" B/U signals swing. Now the tricky part-
Games are 1:15 time limit. When the ball crossed the plate there was still time on the clock ( 2 seconds ),...

I realize you were setting a scenario as to when the inning is over, but still, unless the clock is on the scoreboard, which of us is going to call for another inning with 2 sec left? Not me.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by Dakota

R2 out for passing R1. Dead ball and R1 out on the interference of R2 continuing to run (backwards) and drawing a throw. Now, what was your question?

I was hoping no one would pick on him about that, but R2 can't pass R1 while stealing 2nd, even if from 3rd.
And R2 better be getting back to 2nd, no INT.

[LLPA13UmpDan]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Why is everything that is different from your area "stupid". This is becoming an annoying trend from you.

No, time limit is wayyyy to short. 6 innings in 1:15. I say more like 2 hour limit.

[Skahtboi]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

No, time limit is wayyyy to short. 6 innings in 1:15. I say more like 2 hour limit.

1:00 to an 1:30 seems to be the norm for softball. Most of the games I work don't even go 2:00 for a 7 inning game.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I disagree with you on when it occurs.

Its not an out until its called. Its not the act, its the call, especially if there is a completely valid use of time between time.

Now if theres a check swing and the ump goes and gets a burger and comes back and calls strike, thats not a valid use of time

but in your scenario, all that play was valid and part of the game and the clock would not have stopped in inning 1 any more than it would in the wanning moments.

I looked for the phrase "valid use of time" in all of my books and can't find it.

Seriously - this is a faulty way of looking at things, but if this is your opinion, would you nullify the run in the hypothetical I posted? Are you also saying that on a timing play, the timing of the CALL is what you go by as opposed to the timing of the out itself? This is just wrong.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by Dakota

R2 out for passing R1. Dead ball and R1 out on the interference of R2 continuing to run (backwards) and drawing a throw. Now, what was your question?

Ouch. Quite a typo, that.

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

No, time limit is wayyyy to short. 6 innings in 1:15. I say more like 2 hour limit.

Nice of you to Say So. I'll alert all the local leagues I work with that YOU have deemed 2 hours the proper time.

Instead of calling something for which you know nothing (the list grows...) "Stupid", perhaps you should ask about the reasoning behind what you would consider a very short time limit.

Then those of us who've done this for more than 8 minutes could enlighten you. In my case, most of the league games are played during the week and in the evening. We are a bit on the outskirts, so asking anyone to make a game before 6 is unreasonable. Asking the kids (anywhere from 6 to 16) to be out past 10 is also unreasonable. So by your law, we could never play 2 in an evening. 1:15 is short, but in MOST games the outcome is pretty well determined by then.

With the older girls, the JV often plays at 6, with the varsity showing up to play at 7:30. No time limit on the varsity, but we're NEVER going to hold up the varsity game so we can play a longer JV game --- so 1:15 is often what they play as well (if the visitor is close, sometimes we get going by 5:30, and use 1:45 time limit).

So, as you can see, sometimes 1:15 is the BEST of all possible solutions among a list of unideal choices. Far from STUPID.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

No, time limit is wayyyy to short. 6 innings in 1:15. I say more like 2 hour limit.

Just completed a national where all games were 1:40 limit, including championship and if.

Most games which timed out did so in the 7th inning. Those few which timed out earlier involved two weak teams or were extremely lopsided.

If your norm is 2 hours to complete 6 innings, I feel sorry for you.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

Then what would you do if during a play at 2B, the throw clearly beats the runner and the tag is made before a runner crosses the plate. However, the umpire delays his call looking for the ball. By the time the ball is presented and the BU rules the runner out, the runner has crossed the plate.

Score the run?

The out occurs when the play occurs. The fact that there was a hesitation in the declaration of the out should be irrelevant to the application of corresponding rules.

I hadnt thought the statement through to be all inclusive...

so in your instance you are correct, in the OP, its game over IMO

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Welcome!
I realize you were setting a scenario as to when the inning is over, but still, unless the clock is on the scoreboard, which of us is going to call for another inning with 2 sec left? Not me.

Me either, but the theory discussion was interesting.

[wadeintothem]

Originally Posted by LLPA13UmpDan

No, time limit is wayyyy to short. 6 innings in 1:15. I say more like 2 hour limit.

If I show up and its 110 drop dead.. i know its gonna be a good day

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by wadeintothem

I hadnt thought the statement through to be all inclusive...

so in your instance you are correct, in the OP, its game over IMO

"Game over" in the OP means the out did not occur until called/announced.
How is that consistent?

[HawkeyeCubP]

-By the logic of the discussion, we're saying that on dead ball appeal play, the out is occurring when the umpire rules on it, correct? (I.E. A runner missing second base on the way to third is appealed after TIME is called, and is subsequently ruled out - this did not become an out until ruled upon, correct?)