Catcher moves up into the batter's box

[TexBlue]

I was talking to a coach who had protested a rule interpretation a few weeks ago. The catcher was moving up into the batter's box, after the batter had moved up to the very front of the box. He felt the catcher had to stay outside the box. The protest was upheld on the grounds that the catcher could not move into the batter's box until the pitch is made.

Look at POE 8 ( for ASA )

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(FAST PITCH ONLY)The catcher must remain in the catcher's box until the pitch is released. During a regular pitch to a batter, should the batter be in front of the batter's box, the catcher can move closer to the pate without penalty.

I've always read this as two different situations in the 1st 2 sentences. Does the catcher have to wait for the release of the ball or can she move up with the batter? I have seen posts on this, probably a year or 2 ago on this and I thought then that the consensus was the catcher could move up.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by TexBlue

I was talking to a coach who had protested a rule interpretation a few weeks ago. The catcher was moving up into the batter's box, after the batter had moved up to the very front of the box. He felt the catcher had to stay outside the box. The protest was upheld on the grounds that the catcher could not move into the batter's box until the pitch is made.

Look at POE 8 ( for ASA )

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(FAST PITCH ONLY)The catcher must remain in the catcher's box until the pitch is released. During a regular pitch to a batter, should the batter be in front of the batter's box, the catcher can move closer to the pate without penalty.

I've always read this as two different situations in the 1st 2 sentences. Does the catcher have to wait for the release of the ball or can she move up with the batter? I have seen posts on this, probably a year or 2 ago on this and I thought then that the consensus was the catcher could move up.

I think you are correct for ASA, that the catcher can move up whne the batter does and I know that's correct for NCAA. I'd have to check on NFHS and PONY.

[WestMichBlue]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I think you are correct for ASA, that the catcher can move up whne the batter does and I know that's correct for NCAA. I'd have to check on NFHS and PONY.

NHFS says that catcher must be inside lines of catcher's box when pitch is released. But the catcher's box really has only 3 lines - left, right, and back. IMO, the depth of the catcher's box is 17' - 7' batter's box and 10' catcher's box. She can go as far forwards as she wants until she obstructs the batter.

WMB

[hotmatt]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

I'd have to check on NFHS and PONY.

PONY says the catcher must be in the box on the release.

[TexBlue]

Originally Posted by hotmatt

PONY says the catcher must be in the box on the release.

Actually, PONY and ASA's POE is exactly the same. PONY just adopted the wording verbatim and installed it in their POE's. So, if it's good for one, it's good for the other. My question still, is, can the catcher move up before the pitch is released, if the batter starts out up in front of the batter's box.

I read the posts from WestMichBlue and CecilOne and I feel like I had a good handle on the interpretation. It's the same as theirs.

[blue]

The catcher's box is 10ft in length from the rear outside corners of the batter's box. According to POE -8, the catcher must remain in the box till pitch is released, however, if the batter moves to the front of the box the cather may move up without penalty. However, the batter still has the right to the enotre batter's box, and can move back at anytime. It's up to the catcher to avoid obstructon.

[mcrowder]

I see nothing in any ruleset demarking the FRONT of the catcher's box. I see the width (inaccurately named the LENGTH above), and I see the depth of the back line. No front line. She can move up.