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[bluezebra]

First, there is no reference to what rules governed the game. Second, cite the rule that says an AWARDED base would not count if the B/R didn't legally attain 1B.

Bob

[mcrowder]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

First, there is no reference to what rules governed the game. Second, cite the rule that says an AWARDED base would not count if the B/R didn't legally attain 1B.

Bob

Bob - only the BR is actually awarded a base. The forced runners are allowed to "advance without liability to be put out", but are not AWARDED their next base.

[bluezebra]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

Bob - only the BR is actually awarded a base. The forced runners are allowed to "advance without liability to be put out", but are not AWARDED their next base.

Semantics. If a runner is allowed to "advance without liability to be put out", isn't that an 'award'?

Bob

[MNBlue]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

Semantics. If a runner is allowed to "advance without liability to be put out", isn't that an 'award'?

Bob

Even if a player is awarded a base, I don't believe that absolves them from the responsibilty of properly completing their base running duties. If the OP, the runner, although awarded first base, did not properly complete her base running responsibilities. Since the BR did not successfully reach first base before being declared out, the run can't score.

I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree with it.

[CelticNHBlue]

Originally Posted by Dakota

Once you revealed this was professional ball, I was wondering about something like this.

It is certainly not a call that "sells" the game - to the casual fan, it would appear to be a bit arcane or technical, and it takes away the "obvious win."

MLB used to have a tradition to ignore this kind of situation, until it was actually called in a fairly important game - maybe even a world series??? I don't remember the details... even though I think they were posted here or one of the other umpire boards fairly recently.

I can recall when Mark McGuire broke the HR record (not to open another can of worms ) and, when celebrating at first base, was directed by the first base coach with a point (and a push?) to touch the base.

Not softball, but certainly a parallel situation. Was he 'assisted' to the base that he may have otherwise missed? I know that it wasn't called nor any objections registered by the defense.

I will say that, IMO, the call was correct. NPF follows NCAA rules with some modifications.

Rule 9, Sec10d - Coach Interference: A coach or anyone other than another runner... may not physically assist (e.g., touch, hold, push) a base runner while the ball is in play.

OP = bases loaded walk (ball is in play) and a player touches (forget about possibly directs/pushes) the BR to advance to first.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by bluezebra

First, there is no reference to what rules governed the game. ... snip ... Bob

Posted by "Johnny-one-rule".

[whiskers_ump]

Originally Posted by CecilOne

Posted by "Johnny-one-rule".

Agree with CecilOne, has to be ASA with Mike posting.....

[IRISHMAFIA]

A lot of quick responses. Let's move to the next step:

NPF, celebrating teammates were not the runners.

[CecilOne]

Originally Posted by IRISHMAFIA

A lot of quick responses. Let's move to the next step:

NPF, celebrating teammates were not the runners.

Does NPF use ASA rules? I guess this must have actually happened, and it looks like assistance, then again what about Glen's time out or not.
Didn't think they were the runners, but back to my question about teammates gathering in the way of the defense.

[Mountaineer]

See it's plays like this that piss me off! I don't believe the intent was to "assist" the runner but I know you can't judge intent on this. They were excited and were just getting the player to go to first - so they probably just shoved her "playfully". The only runners that matter in this are the runners at first and third - they must complete there journey to the next base. They are probably out by rule, but I'm gonna try to figure a way out of calling the out - if I can't figure a way out, next inning.