SP Pitching questions

[rodan55]

[QUOTE=IRISHMAFIA][QUOTE=tzme415]Thanks guys -

I think some of these guys play 16" or USSSA and forget you can't fake in ASA 12", but I did have one guy just say that he was losing his grip on the ball so he stopped. One more question on this, If the pitcher does a fake, should I call time and make him restart the delivery or just call illegal pitch and let the batter decide if he wants to swing at the pitch?[quote]

No, if the pitcher literally stops, as opposed to hesitating, kill it and award a ball.
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Hmmm, killing it. I believe you hold that arm out until after the delivery. The batter has the option of taking the ball or swinging.

[mcrowder]

No, Joe.. if he stops, he's completed THAT delivery, and the IP is immediate. You don't wait for him to reinitiate a new delivery.

[rodan55]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

No, Joe.. if he stops, he's completed THAT delivery, and the IP is immediate. You don't wait for him to reinitiate a new delivery.

I beg to differ, as I believe I brought up the same/similar situation at the Arlington Clinic. I have a call in for clairification and will post.

[rodan55]

Originally Posted by mcrowder

No, Joe.. if he stops, he's completed THAT delivery, and the IP is immediate. You don't wait for him to reinitiate a new delivery.

So under your scenario, a batter can walk on 4 IP's without a pitch delivered to the batter. When does an IP end? You call an IP when an improper act during the delivery process or height limit infraction, is committed, making the pitch to the batter illegal, giving the batter the option of taking or swinging. Nowhere does it say you kill it and award a ball. The batter determines if a ball. Once the improper act is committed, everything else is immaterial. You don't award a ball for each pump fake or pause in the delivery, except if the ball slips in the pitchers hand, then you have a NP. I still am awaiting for the clarification. I maybe wrong, but I look at it this way. You have a delivery process- the wind-up and then you have the pitch- release to the batter. If no release to the batter, then there's been no pitch made.(ok intentional walk is to be considered as a pitch being made). Pitcher starts his delivery, F3 says hold up, appeal runner missing 2B. Do you honor it? He's only committed an illegal act during the delivery, but the pitch has not been made. OK am I barking up the wrong tree or what?

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rodan55

So under your scenario, a batter can walk on 4 IP's without a pitch delivered to the batter. When does an IP end? You call an IP when an improper act during the delivery process or height limit infraction, is committed, making the pitch to the batter illegal, giving the batter the option of taking or swinging. Nowhere does it say you kill it and award a ball. The batter determines if a ball. Once the improper act is committed, everything else is immaterial. You don't award a ball for each pump fake or pause in the delivery, except if the ball slips in the pitchers hand, then you have a NP. I still am awaiting for the clarification. I maybe wrong, but I look at it this way. You have a delivery process- the wind-up and then you have the pitch- release to the batter. If no release to the batter, then there's been no pitch made.(ok intentional walk is to be considered as a pitch being made). Pitcher starts his delivery, F3 says hold up, appeal runner missing 2B. Do you honor it? He's only committed an illegal act during the delivery, but the pitch has not been made. OK am I barking up the wrong tree or what?

Joe,

We are talking about a pitch that is NOT delivered. There is no ball for the batter to possibly hit.

An IP is enforced when the play is over. There is no pitch coming. The play is over. The umpire calls time and applies the penalty for the IP as that cannot be done during a live ball.

[rodan55]

I don't ever recall a pitcher who started their delivery, did something for an IP and then step off the plate. So, as along as he is on the plate, I should consider this as a continuation of the delivery/pitch. Only when he steps off do I say the play is complete, award a ball, and start over. IF IP is called, DDB, and no release to the batter and the batter swings at that moment, then I have a strike. If this is correct- what an easy game.

[rodan55]

Guess I was reading too much into it.

An IP not delived will be called a ball. Any action by the batter is nullified, like swinging. Continue, play on.

[IRISHMAFIA]

Originally Posted by rodan55

Guess I was reading too much into it.

An IP not delived will be called a ball. Any action by the batter is nullified, like swinging. Continue, play on.

Joe,

If the pitcher doesn't release the ball, at what would the batter be swinging?